Can this high end steel Rossin be saved?
08-13-17, 04:42 PM
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Can this high end steel Rossin be saved?
Here is a Rossin I am looking at. It has NEMO tubing and the frameset is only around 1500g
Can it be saved? I know a really good local framebuilder. It is my understanding that the best way to try and fix this would be to replace the whole chainstay. Should both be replaced? Would replacing one, or both effect the ride quality. Can you get tubing today that would match the rest of the bike?
Sorry for the dumb questions. I really love the frame!
Can it be saved? I know a really good local framebuilder. It is my understanding that the best way to try and fix this would be to replace the whole chainstay. Should both be replaced? Would replacing one, or both effect the ride quality. Can you get tubing today that would match the rest of the bike?
Sorry for the dumb questions. I really love the frame!
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yes... it can be saved... and there are probably still tubes available... Ask Andy Gilmour, he is one of the best at such repairs, and extremely knowledgeable.... good people, too!
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...why not ask the local frame builder ? Then you can get an idea of cost.
As stated above, it will probably be more than you want to pay.
...why not ask the local frame builder ? Then you can get an idea of cost.
As stated above, it will probably be more than you want to pay.
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...in the future, just as an FYI, it's considered poor form to start the same thread in two different forums simultaneously.
...in the future, just as an FYI, it's considered poor form to start the same thread in two different forums simultaneously.
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Yes, it can be saved, and it might even cost less than a comparable new or used frame, but probably not a whole lot less.
So, shop for quotes, and at the same for comparable used frames. Then compare, add whatever emotional or sentimental value and decide which way to go.
So, shop for quotes, and at the same for comparable used frames. Then compare, add whatever emotional or sentimental value and decide which way to go.
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But this seems to be common with relative newbs, so we make allowances.
The issue is it divides the responses, and something that might be useful falls between the cracks.
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I'm sorry, but I had to chuckle at the green circle and two arrows. "Oh, that damage, I didn't notice when I first looked."
I would say that unless this is a frame you've used and loved for years, and you know it's perfect for you and has no other rust or damage issues, then perhaps it's worth the expense of trying to fix. Otherwise, look for a similar frame that is good to go.
I would say that unless this is a frame you've used and loved for years, and you know it's perfect for you and has no other rust or damage issues, then perhaps it's worth the expense of trying to fix. Otherwise, look for a similar frame that is good to go.
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08-13-17, 06:07 PM
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As mentioned, it would have to be free and you would have to be willing to put $600 into it, minimum, with tube replacement and repaint.
Not sure if it's a $600 frame when you're done, but if you like it...
Not sure if it's a $600 frame when you're done, but if you like it...
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Thanks guys... Did not mean to post duplicate actually.
its a really nice frame that I can get for around $50
I guess my two questions are:
1. Would using different tubing than the rest of the frame effect ride quality?
2. Should I replace both chainstays so the ride is "even" or will that make no difference really?
its a really nice frame that I can get for around $50
I guess my two questions are:
1. Would using different tubing than the rest of the frame effect ride quality?
2. Should I replace both chainstays so the ride is "even" or will that make no difference really?
08-13-17, 06:13 PM
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JB Weld and aluminum tape.
I kid. I'm a sucker for a frame that needs TLC, but even I wouldn't touch that one. Only if it were already mine and had sentimental value.
I kid. I'm a sucker for a frame that needs TLC, but even I wouldn't touch that one. Only if it were already mine and had sentimental value.
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To answer your question from the perspective of "just a guy who rides bikes a lot" I.e. Not an expert, ride quality may very well be affected based on the skill of the repair but I don't think replacing just the one side or using slightly different tubing will make that big a difference.
If the person you choose to make the repair can't give a good answer to that question I would think he/she might not be the right person to make the repair anyway.
For $50, if it comes with the fork, go for it and you get your money's worth right there if it doesn't work out.
If the person you choose to make the repair can't give a good answer to that question I would think he/she might not be the right person to make the repair anyway.
For $50, if it comes with the fork, go for it and you get your money's worth right there if it doesn't work out.
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It is a really cool looking fillet brazed BB.
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Very expensive fix once paint gets involved, too. You'd better really love the frame. 
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Thanks guys... Did not mean to post duplicate actually.
its a really nice frame that I can get for around $50
I guess my two questions are:
1. Would using different tubing than the rest of the frame effect ride quality?
2. Should I replace both chainstays so the ride is "even" or will that make no difference really?
its a really nice frame that I can get for around $50
I guess my two questions are:
1. Would using different tubing than the rest of the frame effect ride quality?
2. Should I replace both chainstays so the ride is "even" or will that make no difference really?
I've not seen a similar fillet brazing construction with a lightweight, thin walled tubeset, and I have to wonder why.
Not saying it couldn't be safely done, I'm just musing that the heating and cooling cycle involved in fillet brazing that joint might have resulted in some embrittlement of the frame tubing. I don't know enough about NEMO steel tubing to speak with any authority.
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...you ought to also be asking yourself, "If this stay failed from repetitive stress (because the tubing has very thin walls, and the frame itself is pretty lightweight), then what are the odds that the same thing will or won't happen in another frame member soon ?"
I've not seen a similar fillet brazing construction with a lightweight, thin walled tubeset, and I have to wonder why.
Not saying it couldn't be safely done, I'm just musing that the heating and cooling cycle involved in fillet brazing that joint might have resulted in some embrittlement of the frame tubing. I don't know enough about NEMO steel tubing to speak with any authority.
I've not seen a similar fillet brazing construction with a lightweight, thin walled tubeset, and I have to wonder why.
Not saying it couldn't be safely done, I'm just musing that the heating and cooling cycle involved in fillet brazing that joint might have resulted in some embrittlement of the frame tubing. I don't know enough about NEMO steel tubing to speak with any authority.
That being said, most of the fillet brazed bikes that I've seen (with the exception of the heavier, but much more "production" Super Sport/Sports Tourer/High Sierra/Cimarron... All Schwinns... hmmm) are mostly boutique builders.
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Some of the early constructeurs used fillet-brazing and thinwall tubing to make extra-light frames. Lugs must have been more popular or easier to use, though, since that's what they reverted to for most bikes.
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The frame looks like it's full of rust. If it wasn't for that, I'd use something like fiberfix to tape it back together. That stuff is no joke.
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Not worth the hassle - unless it was a sentimental deal ----- given to you by a dear family member or something
that break is caused by corrosion and I would be worried about there being more of it in other places
--- Rust never sleeps, as the song goes
Frame repair - and it wont be cheap for a nice fillet brazed repair - plus at minimum $4-500 for re-paint --- I think your looking at $7-800 at least for this repair
that break is caused by corrosion and I would be worried about there being more of it in other places
--- Rust never sleeps, as the song goes
Frame repair - and it wont be cheap for a nice fillet brazed repair - plus at minimum $4-500 for re-paint --- I think your looking at $7-800 at least for this repair
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I believe the person selling this would be very happy with $50. He gets $50 and doesn't have to spend his time disposing of the frame... you on the other hand...
08-15-17, 06:10 PM
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I had a break like that at the rear drop out. LBS owner is a frame builder. Repaired the break 45$. He didn't replace the stay just did an almost invisible weld.
