Metieval

the judgement in this thread was against drop bars, not your flat bars or riser bars. Nice try at flipping it around.

Metieval

I lifted stuff correctly, and never over lifted, no bad back. landscaping , pipe fitting, rigging

again, majority of knee ankle injuries come from a lack of fitness and strength, or a simple muscle imbalance. especially torn ACL's

had my share, wrapped a steering wheel around the column at 45 mh, walked away

stuff does happen, like fast food, cheap beer, processed foods, lack of fitness, lack of specific exercise, lack of hydration, stretching, nutrients.
my point wasn't about accidental stuff ( you knew that though) , my point was about all the avoidable stuff. stuff that could be prevented for many others growing up, except you'll want to throw healthy advice down the toilet. but hey thats what big pharmaceutical makes ibuprofen and advil for?

Metieval

Is that all you have? when all else fails, then make it about the persons grammar

Metieval

they have a fix for that too, It's called better driver training, better testing, Less drivers on the roads that are not qualified, or responsible enough for the "driving privilege".

wolfchild

The way I see fasting, it's no different than self-flagellation...There is no good reason why a healthy physically active person who eats good diet should fast...Fasting is only for people who are very seriously ill and can't eat....or for people who are religious zealots seeking spiritual enlightenment.

Metieval

enough said then.

screw the research, all that matters is how you see it.

Koyote

Okay...So, you want to judge people for their physical problems, assuming that they are all self-inflicted through laziness, poor posture, lack of stretching and other exercise -- even though there are plenty of other reasons for each of the ailments that are mentioned. But you dislike being criticized for something that is well within your control -- grammar.

I think I understand you now.

Metieval

Never judged, just gave solutions to a better experience with the drop bar. I gave solutions to a better life for most people. They screamed and ranted for change but when it comes to personal change, no way!!! they Balk.

For a first world nation we have way too many self inflicted health issues. We are a carefree society, someone else will pick up our trash, and some lab will create a pill that fixes everything.

for recollection of quotes not mine!

Metieval

I am sure they all had a belly because their Buick was rear ended by a Train though. Yes?

livedarklions

It's interesting because I haven't heard anyone actually complain about using them. Seeing as there's no arguing taste so it's not a matter of right and wrong, what is it about brifters you don't like? Just curious.

I'm no fan of stem shifters, bar end shifters, downtube shifters, and barrel shifters. I won't even consider a bike with those.

Camilo

No. It's just that you don't use them to their full potential. You might check your fit if you aren't comfortable using your drop bars in all the positions they offer, and therefore don't have all the advantages they offer over straight bars for riding on the road. Or if you don't need those advantages, get some straight bars and decide if they are more comfortable than riding on the hoods. I bet not.

Camilo

Actually, I think a too-small bike is more likely to make the drops hard to use. The small frame has handlebars that are harder to adjust upward relative to the saddle, therefore the drops would probably require flexibility and fitness that most recreational riders don't have.

A too-large frame would allow the bars to be higher relative to the saddle, therefore probably easier to use the drops.

mynewnchome

BRB....going to grab a chocolate chip cookie while I read this thread...lol.....no.....seriously.

Gresp15C

For some reason, I keep thinking about the ancient Greek myth of Procrustes.

sjanzeir

An evil combination of tiny hands, poor (or poorly trained) hand-eye coordination, and too much complexity concentrated at the tips of too few fingers.

In the 10 days or so that I had the 2016 Trek 1.2, the two times that I took it out were straight out of a Harold Lloyd flick. Later that same year, I thought I should give myself another chance with this whole brifter business, so I went over to my sporting goods place and tried out a Fuji Sportif around the shop floor, just to see if my newly acquired briftophobia was real. I was on the bike for about 15 seconds when I crashed into a rack full of soccer T-shirts, right after I caught myself shifting gears instead of braking. To this day, I cringe at the thought of what might have happened if I had broken that Sportif's carbon fork! I was done. I went on to pick up my first new-old-stock 2014 Trek 7.6 FX and never looked back.

Maybe when I'm older and smarter.

I don't know about bar end shifters or barrel shifter (I had to Google that one and scroll deep down) but back when my old Raleigh Flyer was my primary mode of transportation in the 90s, I probably could've used a pair of stem shifters instead of the Raleigh's downtube shifters, since I was on the handlebar tops most of the time (that thing had suicide brake levers that I used a lot.)

With that being said, having trained myself to precisely select every gear with the old Raleigh's downtube friction shifters, it's a learned skill that I still cherish today, especially after I swapped out the factory five-speed freewheel for a seven-speed, which required me to be even more precise. But I was younger and smarter.

downhillmaster

I feel sorry for people that blame society for everything.
PE never burnt off any real amount of calories and nobody is experiencing drastic changes in appearance by doing nothing other than ditching inflammatory foods for two whole weeks

cyccommute 

If your brakes aren't set up properly, it's foolhardy but that has nothing to do with the location of the brake levers. I regularly hit 40 and even 50 mph on loaded touring bikes and I brake almost exclusively from the hoods. I've never failed to stop doing so. Even unloaded, I do a lot of mountain cycling and can hit the same speeds. It's just never been an issue.

indyfabz

+1. Like you, I am still alive.

BTW...OBTL.

sheddle

Since shifters got brought up, is there a specific reason bar-ends are used on "true" touring bikes? Is it a case of "much easier to fix if it breaks in the middle of nowhere"?

terrymorse 

I sure hope you don't descend steep mountain roads on the hoods, simply because "it's never been an issue". Yet.

Razorrock

I have 2 words for you "Hydraulic Disk". There is a reason besides marketing they are being used more and more. Now you don't have to rely on leverage to brake.

terrymorse 

I have two words for you "pot hole". Hit those unexpectedly on a fast descent, and you'll be thankful you descend only in the drops.

I have three other words for you "center of gravity". It's lower when you're in the drops, so you can brake harder while staying in control.

Steve B.

Generally true. Not so much "fix" as there's not much to fail, more a case of you can flip them to friction mode, so if you've problems with an out of wack R derailer, really dirty cable, etc... you can still shift.

Sheldon Brown (remember Sheldon ?) pretty much debunked the whole "brifters are no good for touring" argument a few decades ago, they usually do not fail and don't cause issues on a typical tour. Cross Africa ?, I'd want simple, but cross US ?, not an issue.

There's a whole thread on this here:

https://www.bikeforums.net/touring/1...ring-bike.html

jadocs

That's a true statement, there have been more than a few times this has happened to me...not even on a decent but just going fast. I would also add "control" to the lower center of gravity.

indyfabz

"Nights in White Satin" is stuck in my head.

"But we decide which is right. And which is an illusion."