Do you train your quads?
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It's a lot easier and less wearing on your breaks to just ride in a high gear I think. I like do to 53x12 (too cheap to buy an 11) at 60 cadence to pretend I'm climbing and get a nice little force workout in.
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Problem is 53x12 at 60 rpm is a touch over 20mph. Not enough resistance to really be a good muscle tension drill, without an incline, or a stiff headwind.
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I lied. I actually pedal a bit more than 60. I usually do it on Wednesdays and pull a little group for half an hour to an hour going between 22-24. I'm pretty tired by the end of it with legs burning mainly at the headwind bits. Would probably be a better workout with an 11
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In the olde days we did seated climbing in the winter for just this purpose.
The problem then became about balancing the hamstrings with the quads. Imbalances could mess up the pelvis and cause long term problems. Calves vs quads is not an issue.
The problem then became about balancing the hamstrings with the quads. Imbalances could mess up the pelvis and cause long term problems. Calves vs quads is not an issue.
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Related question: if you're a flatlander is there anyway you can prepare for Colorado style altitude?
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If anyone tells you you can they are full of poo-poo. You can talk FTP all you like but anyone who lives where there are a truly big mountains will tell you otherwise.
Having said that, you can help your climbing by doing FTP work on the flats but the specific muscle memory, rhythms and pacing can only be developed through climbing.
Now be prepared for all the 'experts' who are about to disagree with me. If any of them have a KOM from a race on par with the Tour of Okinawa have a listen. If not, ignore them.
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I find short steep hills and power up in the drops at over 20 mph in the big ring. Builds quads like no tomorrow.
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If anyone tells you you can they are full of poo-poo. You can talk FTP all you like but anyone who lives where there are a truly big mountains will tell you otherwise. ...
Now be prepared for all the 'experts' who are about to disagree with me. If any of them have a KOM from a race on par with the Tour of Okinawa have a listen. If not, ignore them.
Now be prepared for all the 'experts' who are about to disagree with me. If any of them have a KOM from a race on par with the Tour of Okinawa have a listen. If not, ignore them.
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I don't have an Okinawa KOM, just a Mt. Diablo 1-hr t-shirt. Bdop is correct in that you can't perfectly replicate mountain conditions on the flats, but you can build the engine that will see you through.
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The main issue people have is balance. For this, I cant imagine what it would be like to not have a set of PowerCranks. Yes, the full leg is balanced when using these, not only that but it helps the pedal stroke to smooth and when I'm on the bike people are *constantly* asking me, "How are you so smooth on the pedals, you put the power down and there is no upper body movement whatsoever" That "no movement" is a direct relation to equal balance in the legs. For all areas, climbing, flats, sprinting...PowerCranks are an excellent tool.
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Here's a good article on the training Cameron Cogburn used to win the Mt Washington hillclimb in 2012: The Mt. Washington Hillclimb: A case study.
With limited time he used mostly trainer, short (<2min) hill repeats and steady state rides on the flats with a few real hills to prepare.
edit: I don't know if he has any KOMs in Okinawa but he has about 9 pages of KOMs including Mt Washington so he must know something about training
With limited time he used mostly trainer, short (<2min) hill repeats and steady state rides on the flats with a few real hills to prepare.
edit: I don't know if he has any KOMs in Okinawa but he has about 9 pages of KOMs including Mt Washington so he must know something about training
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get a single speed. gears are for the meek (or sunday morning when im feeling lazy). but seriously, riding around with no other gear options will improve your geared riding greatly. cheaper then powertap and all that other garbage tech also. or conversely, ride mtn bikes more often. that will improve your strength quickly.
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Here's a good article on the training Cameron Cogburn used to win the Mt Washington hillclimb in 2012: The Mt. Washington Hillclimb: A case study.
With limited time he used mostly trainer, short (<2min) hill repeats and steady state rides on the flats with a few real hills to prepare.
edit: I don't know if he has any KOMs in Okinawa but he has about 9 pages of KOMs including Mt Washington so he must know something about training
With limited time he used mostly trainer, short (<2min) hill repeats and steady state rides on the flats with a few real hills to prepare.
edit: I don't know if he has any KOMs in Okinawa but he has about 9 pages of KOMs including Mt Washington so he must know something about training
Doing intervals is great, but to truly get strong you need to be able to combine power with endurance. For example, how can I possibly replicate the final 10-15 minutes up Washington, when I need to keep it pinned but my legs feel like noodles? In other words, how do I work on muscular endurance? Simple, I do intervals at the middle or end of a long ride on tired legs. Three times this summer I rode out to Wachusett from Cambridge, did intervals on the mountain, and then rode back for a 120-135 mi, 6-7 hour ride. In the spring I also once rode to the Fresh Pond training race and back for an 8+ hour ride with a race in the middle. These absolutely helped extend the length of time I could hold a certain power by forcing me to work hard on tired legs. I believe this is the simplest thing most people can do to get better but realize it is not simply going out and trying to hammer every climb for as long as possible – it is a deliberate strategy of tiring the legs by riding zone-2 but for a long time and then trying to empty the tank such that I am crawling back home on fumes, barely turning the pedals.
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You have to get in (2) big rides each month and preferably (3) big rides. Rides that are at least 5-6 hours long that force you to dig deep near the end, so that when you reach home, you are tired and your muscles are quivering(not cramping though) from the fatigue. This is the #1 thing you can do and you cannot skip this step if you want to go to the next level, no matter if you are a pro or a recreational cyclist, you have to increase the miles, hours, and overall volume of training stress in order to challenge your cardiovascular and muscular system enough to create positive adaptations for the future.
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I'll spin on a trainer and use a slideboard. I've used slideboards a loong time, ever since I raced GS competitively, and played ice hockey before that. These days I pull the old Rossi S pair out of the closet and do the occasional dollar slalom courses when they're open. Haven't put on a pair of skates in 20 years. An hour of sliding and you'll feel it in your quads, guaranteed.
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IME Greg is correct in #44 . When you get back, if you can still walk, you should have gone harder. It's taken me several minutes on occasion to dismount the bike.
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BTW, my first post was meant to be sarcastic, dickish and a bit silly etc but didn't quite come across the way I wanted. But now, I think I'll run with it.