revcp 

On my summer tour, I would prefer to carry my fuel bottle (white gas) on my bike instead of in a pannier (I have cages for four other bottles, so I won't be shorting myself water). Wondering whether anyone has found a non-metal fuel bottle that will fit in a bottle cage. I could carry a metal MSR bottle in a cage, but I would prefer not to, as try as I might, there is no way to completely get away from the rattling and jangling. Also, I use a white gas stove (and a wood stove, and also an alcohol stove, both of which I like, but I'm not bringing them). I'm happy with it. I don't want/need to invest another stove, so please don't recommend I buy "Stove X instead."

indyfabz

Putting on my lawyer hat: I doubt one exists because of the proximity of the flame to the bottle. Shattering is likely also a concern.

Have you tried a thick sock with a Velcro strap for extra security. I saw that setup on the road back in '00.

fietsbob

I put my MSR fuel bottle ( they are pressurized and that's another reason why plastic is a No.)

I put my MSR fuel bottle in the under the down tube bottle cage of Nylon ,plastic
and secured it further with a Toe strap around cage and bottle to have no rattling like you describe..


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revcp 

My stove is a Svea, so the fuel bottle just carries fuel, it does not hook up to the stove. Something like a sock could work, but I was hoping to do this with a purpose built piece instead of with duct tape and bailing wire.

fietsbob

I use plastic bottles in metal water bottle cages and a metal bottles in a plastic cages

if you look at Nalgene laboratory bottles of heavy duty thick plastics , or the bottles made for the alcohol stoves , like Trangia,

They may have gone over to metal bottles by now , I dont own one .. .. so I don't know for a fact
their safety cap may be Sigg compatible to use the Swiss metal bottles..

they may not set you on fire, using them to refill the stove off, and cold..

saddlesores

replace one of your bottle cages with a gorilla cage. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1Zcy2ZQwPL.jpg

Cyclist0108

Unless you view glass as a viable alternative, you are out of luck. Wrap the metal bottle with old handlebar tape. If you have an MSR stove that goes with the bottle, you will have to carry the bottle anyway.

fietsbob

NB There are Nalgene bottles for volatile fluids...
https://www.fishersci.ca/shop/produc...tles/p-4522007

gauvins

Have you considered King Cages? Worth every penny.

Cyclist0108

I know, I'm a chemist.

If he goes in that direction, it might be worthwhile getting one that doesn't have the squirt nozzle option.

fietsbob

profile bottle cages I use this one , prior version without the tip catch

I got a set of Super Straps decades ago bad as a pedal toe strap ,

but since it has a ratcheting buckle like a ski boot , they can get really tight around metal fuel bottle & nylon cage




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fietsbob

I liked the warning label on the one so you know your acetone from a hole in the ground

Tourist in MSN

White gas or coleman fuel, I always just make sure that the lid is tight and put inside my pannier, never had any problems. If you spill a bit on the bottle doing camp kitchen chores, it is such a volatile liquid that it evaporates in a few minutes. Kerosene however does not evaporate off of the bottle very easily so I put that in a cage, such as the photo below.

There are bottles that fit the cages quite well. Photo is 9 years old, so the specific bottle in the photo is not made anymore, but I would expect that others that fit are available.

djb

One of my msr metal bottles fits very snugly in my regular old bottle cage, no rattles or anything, but depending on how loose yours is, there must be a quick easy wrapping fix with some sort of tape, or thin tough foam, that will eliminate rattling and stay in place properly.

I do sympathize because I very much dislike rattles and whatnot on my bike.

CraigMBA

Like handlebar bar tape?

djb

a bit expensive, but sure, why not.
Really depends on the looseness and what thickness is needed.
Only the fellow who asked the question knows this and I guess if he is interested, he will have to improvise with stuff, and maybe go through Mk 1, Mk2 to finally get to Mk 3 that works for him.

seems to me there are very cheap foam cylindrical "outers" to put over beer cans in summer or that sort of thing, that could be either modified or cut up and attached together to fit either his bottle and or be a good fit for his cage.

kaos joe

I thought I was the Last of the Mohicans with the Svea!

If you're dead set against an aluminum bottle, get a Nalgene. I'd bet a Gatorade bottle would be fine also.

GAJett

Treasured my Svea until...

Svea's are dead simple to operate with no moving parts, self-pressurizing, and take but a little while to master. The 1-2-3 was my favourite for years until...

They do have a fatal, and dangerous flaw. That is the over-pressure relief valve on the filler cap basically points straight at the burner. On over-pressure the valve releases, sending hot fuel vapors straight into the active flame. What results is a runaway ball of fire that burns until the fuel runs out. The the tank explodes. How do I know? Thankfully this happened outside the tent, and in an area with no burnable materials. And that it didn't hit anyone in its 15-foot flight away from its point of origin.

Still elegantly simple.

(I've since had a couple of MSRs that are much more fiddly to operate. I now prefer the little butane/propane units although there is the waste of the spent fuel bottles and poor performance in cold weather.)
Cheers!

imi

kaos joe

Yes we've discussed the exciting phenomenon of SVEA pyrotechnics a couple of times here. I pretty much only use them in below freezing weather, same with my MSR. I once experienced a mini oil well fire with the MSR (bad o-ring). It was about 25 degrees when I took the above pic, and about 3 degrees for this one



Every August my bud & I use a "modern" canister burner out West. It's usually around freezing or a bit below in the mornings so a bit of a PIA to get the oatmeal going, but we make it work.

tcs

Perhaps an Arundel Sport (polymer) or Looney Bin (adjustable, clamping) bottle cage? Then there's the DOM Monkii cage that holds the bottle in with a big, cinching velcro strap, and the Topeak Modula EX that ratchets in to hold the bottle tight.

CraigMBA

I'd think one wrap right around the raidus of the bottle in the middle would do the trick. You can even use recycled tape.

veganbikes

I use the PDW Bird or Owl cages and no rattles on my MSR fuel bottle, if I need to I can push the wings in for a tighter fit on something say like a King Cage or MSW or Jim Blackburn style you can push in the top part a bit or I would wrap with some bar tape or electrical tape.

3speed

A simple strip of electrical or duct tape around the cage tube? Or a couple wraps around the bottle about a half inch from both the top and bottom, to create contact points on the bottle that aren't metal? Maybe it would be a good way to store some "emergency" tape on your tour.

djb

Been meaning to mention this for a while, to respond specifically about using a nalgene or similar--i just really wanted to stress how it's never ever a good idea to use a visual normal drinking container for dangerous, water looking fluids.

I strongly believe this is something to avoid, as the consequences of a mix-up are pretty serious, especially down the road with a moment of inattention and especially with children or someone else.

there, my public service slash dad instincts have been expressed