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Can't imagine it would be easy but success curving some might lead to the technique to straighten as well. I've been a pseudo (hack) fabricator as well as mechanic/technician all my life, 35 yrs professional auto, drag racing motorcycles and bicycles since about 12, and have persuaded many, many things to conform to my misguided plan with mostly success, patience is key as with many things. I plan to try the curving at some point but promise to not destroy any good parts as I adhere to a strong and fast "do no harm" credo as no part should be compromised in any way unless absolutely necessary as a last resort for the much greater good.
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I've been following this post from afar, but the final product is incredible. Well done!
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Understood, I have a couple of spare sets as they are way not my thing. The rear shifter on the 58 Paramount was a bent one that I swapped out and you may be able to help as I am not sure if the replacement is correct, didn't scrutinize and don't know very much anyway. Pretty sure the ones that came on it were original so would like to straighten and get it back on if I can one day. They will stay on this until I maybe swap out the stem/bars and maybe Campy bar ends.
Can't imagine it would be easy but success curving some might lead to the technique to straighten as well. I've been a pseudo (hack) fabricator as well as mechanic/technician all my life, 35 yrs professional auto, drag racing motorcycles and bicycles since about 12, and have persuaded many, many things to conform to my misguided plan with mostly success, patience is key as with many things. I plan to try the curving at some point but promise to not destroy any good parts as I adhere to a strong and fast "do no harm" credo as no part should be compromised in any way unless absolutely necessary as a last resort for the much greater good.
Can't imagine it would be easy but success curving some might lead to the technique to straighten as well. I've been a pseudo (hack) fabricator as well as mechanic/technician all my life, 35 yrs professional auto, drag racing motorcycles and bicycles since about 12, and have persuaded many, many things to conform to my misguided plan with mostly success, patience is key as with many things. I plan to try the curving at some point but promise to not destroy any good parts as I adhere to a strong and fast "do no harm" credo as no part should be compromised in any way unless absolutely necessary as a last resort for the much greater good.
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On top of that, so many projects 1/2 done or started and tonite started a major kitchen remodel that I was not at all prepared for but the guy finally showed up last nite and is ready to get started now so I tore down the 80's dropped ceiling with fluorescent lights after work so he can get started. Next is clear the attic so he can run some wiring and clear a path to the breaker panel for him, was so not ready for this crap as major demo isn't scheduled till Sept.12.
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I have trouble keeping up with all of the threads around here, and I only just opened this one tonight. What a great way to spend a late evening (I read it slowly, and savored all of it in one sitting). I'm still very much a bike novice, but that only makes it all the more fun to learn as I'm following along with a tale like this. Believe it or not, I owned a Bianchi from around 1975 to 1995. However, even though it had some Campy parts, it was an entry level model (a Strada) that I doubt anyone here would even want to talk about. I haven't seen one mentioned or pictured in the forums since I joined, anyway.
I have always appreciated the craftsmanship of high-end, high-quality products in general, and the subject of this thread is certainly in that category. I love vintage and collectible items for their style and history (gleaming Campy parts, the classic celeste... what's not to love?). I really appreciate it when people go the extra mile when it comes to the finer details of a project like this; and I really love it when people take the time and the make the effort to provide a lot of good-to-great photographs along with well-written commentary. I'm also very visually oriented, a big fan of great industrial design and art. This bike is a work of art.
So thanks (belatedly) DD, and to everyone else who shared their knowledge here. I doubt I'll ever graduate to a bike this fine, but I really do appreciate it for what it is (except for the part where I won't be riding it).
I haven't seen one mentioned or pictured in the forums since I joined, anyway.I have always appreciated the craftsmanship of high-end, high-quality products in general, and the subject of this thread is certainly in that category. I love vintage and collectible items for their style and history (gleaming Campy parts, the classic celeste... what's not to love?). I really appreciate it when people go the extra mile when it comes to the finer details of a project like this; and I really love it when people take the time and the make the effort to provide a lot of good-to-great photographs along with well-written commentary. I'm also very visually oriented, a big fan of great industrial design and art. This bike is a work of art.
So thanks (belatedly) DD, and to everyone else who shared their knowledge here. I doubt I'll ever graduate to a bike this fine, but I really do appreciate it for what it is (except for the part where I won't be riding it).
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@JimR56, welcome to the C&V Forum, stick around the place for a bit, you'll be pleasantly surprised at the types and levels of bikes discussed here. Entry level bikes were/are gateway drugs for many of us here. And, we'll be more than happy to encourage you onward with getting a nice C&V ride of any level set up and rolling.
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I ended up getting the Bianchi after all! I had almost given up hope in this thread: A little help?
The seller contacted me back after the initial hiccups and sent some great pics that gave me all the information I needed to undertake the journey from Bothell to Port Orchard. The story of the bike is nothing special (though I think the bike is), but my trip was anything but uneventful!
I drove down starting around 1345 yesterday and braved the traffic - which seems to be getting worse all the time - and the heat over the course of 3.5 hours to arrive at the seller's place. A big guy who bore a striking resemblance to Mick Fleetwood answered my knock and took me out to the garage to see the bike. The only history I know about it is the PO to the seller owed the seller $1200 and gave him the bike instead. Seller was asking for $1000, and had already told me he wouldn't budge on the price. That's why I wanted detailed pics before I drove all that way!
Seatpost, however, was stuck. I guess that was not really surprising as it was slammed, but we dropped in some WD40 and PB Blaster. I'm going to leave it be for a few days, but will have to revisit it. Good thing there are lots of tutorials here on how to free a stuck seatpost!
Anyway, when he reached for a screwdriver to pry the ears apart I stopped him and told him not to worry about it and pulled out my cash and counted out $1000. AFAIK, that's the most I've ever paid outright for a complete bike. I pulled both wheels, installed my chainkeeper and put everything in the trunk for the return trip. Instead of retracing my route, I took 16 to Bremerton and then 3 to Kingston, with the idea that traffic on the Kitsap peninsula at 1800 would be less than the craziness on the other side going through Tacoma and Seattle. Just before getting to the ferry dock, I felt a bump/kind of a knock right beneath my feet - it came from the car, not something I ran over. Immediately the ABS and Brake idiot lights went on, and the battery gauge needle was dropping. I tried the brakes: fine. Paid my fare and parked in my row for the next ferry. But now the car was running rough. And I was worried about the battery now.
About 10 minutes before the ferry arrived I gave the key a twist and - nothing. My month-old battery had somehow drained in that short drive from the initial "bump" to the dock. The lot attendant jumped me just before loading, but it only got a little ways before dying on me. I had to be pushed onboard by a tractor they use for such issues (I wasn't the only one that day; a couple cars and two large RVs also had to be pushed/towed off the ferry before I came along). They did the same for me on the other side, but could only push me to a waiting area on the pier. The car would not start after trying to jump it again on the pier, so I called Roadside Assistance. That was an adventure all on it's own, but suffice to say that by 2230 the guy with the tow truck showed up, loaded up my lemon and drove me across town to drop my car off at the local garage. I unloaded the bike, put the wheels on and prepared to gingerly walk the bike the half-mile to my place; the tires were not up to pressure, but then I realized, hey, this came with a Silca pump! Doh. Pumped them up and walked home with no issues. I finally walked in the door at 2350.
After a shower and a relaxant (hey, I'd had a long day!), I spent some time cleaning up the bike. It's been sitting, but not in a bad way. But there was crustiness to clean up, and I'm not done yet.
It is a Supercorsa or Superleggera. No model name shows up anywhere, however. Two Piaggio decals on either side of the seat tube, Bianchi decals in blue with gold shadowing, crest logo on head tube, Columbus decal between the gear levers and a small triangular Modolo decal where the Columbus decal would normally be. The paint looks in super shape as does the chrome; the overall look is used but not abused. For example, it doesn't have that typical paint chip on the downtube from a brake caliper smacking the frame.
Components are mostly Campagnolo Super Record. Cinelli 1R black anodized stem mated to a Cinelli Campione del Mondo 63-40 with the later logo. This was on the top of the bar on the drive side:
Other components are Modolo Professional brakes, Phil Wood hubs and BB and Vittoria Superlight pedals with steel axles. I might try them out for fun, but they will probably go to Ebay. A Brooks Professional Select topped the seatpost. Serial on the bottom of the BB shell is 4 - 81 - 467, so it looks like it was built the month before Gilles Villeneuve won the 1981 Monaco Grand Prix.
I know, I know - where are all the pics? They're coming. I'm down to one camera for the time being and it's a crappy one, so my first pics didn't come out well at all. I'll be trying again this afternoon as I clean this bike up a bit and see if the post will come out. The good news is when I bang on the saddle sideways, the post and saddle rotate, so it's just a matter of getting it up and out. Whew!
So, why did I spend a G on a bike with a stuck seatpost? Well, several reasons. For one, I knew it would eventually come out if I followed BF directions. For another, I've paid more for paint. For yet another, it cost as much to get a lightbulb for one of my Audi's headlamps. And lastly? This was my grail bike! What good is money if you don't spend it? And it was my birthday a week ago, too, so happy birthday to me
I'm excited to get this on the road, but I have a bit of work to do. I'll take my time. It will be a fun project!
Lastly, I decided before I bought it that I would do an N-1 even as I added this bike to the collection. Because it's the smallest of my bikes and because the colorway is nearly identical, the Somec is going to be dismantled and sold. In fact, it appears I may already have a buyer for the frame. I'll need the seatpost (because I'm sure to wrack the post that's currently in the frame) and the pedals for a rider, and will use the Concor saddle as well as the clincher wheelset currently on it. The wheelset that came with the Bianchi is a pair of Ambrosio Synthesis Super Professional tubular rims mated to the aforementioned Phil hubs - mated, unfortunately, with what appear to be galvanized spokes (!).
Anyhoo...
DD
The seller contacted me back after the initial hiccups and sent some great pics that gave me all the information I needed to undertake the journey from Bothell to Port Orchard. The story of the bike is nothing special (though I think the bike is), but my trip was anything but uneventful!
I drove down starting around 1345 yesterday and braved the traffic - which seems to be getting worse all the time - and the heat over the course of 3.5 hours to arrive at the seller's place. A big guy who bore a striking resemblance to Mick Fleetwood answered my knock and took me out to the garage to see the bike. The only history I know about it is the PO to the seller owed the seller $1200 and gave him the bike instead. Seller was asking for $1000, and had already told me he wouldn't budge on the price. That's why I wanted detailed pics before I drove all that way!
Seatpost, however, was stuck. I guess that was not really surprising as it was slammed, but we dropped in some WD40 and PB Blaster. I'm going to leave it be for a few days, but will have to revisit it. Good thing there are lots of tutorials here on how to free a stuck seatpost!
Anyway, when he reached for a screwdriver to pry the ears apart I stopped him and told him not to worry about it and pulled out my cash and counted out $1000. AFAIK, that's the most I've ever paid outright for a complete bike. I pulled both wheels, installed my chainkeeper and put everything in the trunk for the return trip. Instead of retracing my route, I took 16 to Bremerton and then 3 to Kingston, with the idea that traffic on the Kitsap peninsula at 1800 would be less than the craziness on the other side going through Tacoma and Seattle. Just before getting to the ferry dock, I felt a bump/kind of a knock right beneath my feet - it came from the car, not something I ran over. Immediately the ABS and Brake idiot lights went on, and the battery gauge needle was dropping. I tried the brakes: fine. Paid my fare and parked in my row for the next ferry. But now the car was running rough. And I was worried about the battery now.
About 10 minutes before the ferry arrived I gave the key a twist and - nothing. My month-old battery had somehow drained in that short drive from the initial "bump" to the dock. The lot attendant jumped me just before loading, but it only got a little ways before dying on me. I had to be pushed onboard by a tractor they use for such issues (I wasn't the only one that day; a couple cars and two large RVs also had to be pushed/towed off the ferry before I came along). They did the same for me on the other side, but could only push me to a waiting area on the pier. The car would not start after trying to jump it again on the pier, so I called Roadside Assistance. That was an adventure all on it's own, but suffice to say that by 2230 the guy with the tow truck showed up, loaded up my lemon and drove me across town to drop my car off at the local garage. I unloaded the bike, put the wheels on and prepared to gingerly walk the bike the half-mile to my place; the tires were not up to pressure, but then I realized, hey, this came with a Silca pump! Doh. Pumped them up and walked home with no issues. I finally walked in the door at 2350.
After a shower and a relaxant (hey, I'd had a long day!), I spent some time cleaning up the bike. It's been sitting, but not in a bad way. But there was crustiness to clean up, and I'm not done yet.
It is a Supercorsa or Superleggera. No model name shows up anywhere, however. Two Piaggio decals on either side of the seat tube, Bianchi decals in blue with gold shadowing, crest logo on head tube, Columbus decal between the gear levers and a small triangular Modolo decal where the Columbus decal would normally be. The paint looks in super shape as does the chrome; the overall look is used but not abused. For example, it doesn't have that typical paint chip on the downtube from a brake caliper smacking the frame.
Components are mostly Campagnolo Super Record. Cinelli 1R black anodized stem mated to a Cinelli Campione del Mondo 63-40 with the later logo. This was on the top of the bar on the drive side:
Other components are Modolo Professional brakes, Phil Wood hubs and BB and Vittoria Superlight pedals with steel axles. I might try them out for fun, but they will probably go to Ebay. A Brooks Professional Select topped the seatpost. Serial on the bottom of the BB shell is 4 - 81 - 467, so it looks like it was built the month before Gilles Villeneuve won the 1981 Monaco Grand Prix.
I know, I know - where are all the pics? They're coming. I'm down to one camera for the time being and it's a crappy one, so my first pics didn't come out well at all. I'll be trying again this afternoon as I clean this bike up a bit and see if the post will come out. The good news is when I bang on the saddle sideways, the post and saddle rotate, so it's just a matter of getting it up and out. Whew!
So, why did I spend a G on a bike with a stuck seatpost? Well, several reasons. For one, I knew it would eventually come out if I followed BF directions. For another, I've paid more for paint. For yet another, it cost as much to get a lightbulb for one of my Audi's headlamps. And lastly? This was my grail bike! What good is money if you don't spend it? And it was my birthday a week ago, too, so happy birthday to me
I'm excited to get this on the road, but I have a bit of work to do. I'll take my time. It will be a fun project!
Lastly, I decided before I bought it that I would do an N-1 even as I added this bike to the collection. Because it's the smallest of my bikes and because the colorway is nearly identical, the Somec is going to be dismantled and sold. In fact, it appears I may already have a buyer for the frame. I'll need the seatpost (because I'm sure to wrack the post that's currently in the frame) and the pedals for a rider, and will use the Concor saddle as well as the clincher wheelset currently on it. The wheelset that came with the Bianchi is a pair of Ambrosio Synthesis Super Professional tubular rims mated to the aforementioned Phil hubs - mated, unfortunately, with what appear to be galvanized spokes (!).
Anyhoo...
DD
Coincidentally I have a similar model with nice story of trip from Dallas to San Antonio for pickup *and* same kind of stuck seatpost.
Let me know your solution as mine is still frozen and have not taken to a LBS for help.
08-23-19, 12:27 PM
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@JimR56, welcome to the C&V Forum, stick around the place for a bit, you'll be pleasantly surprised at the types and levels of bikes discussed here. Entry level bikes were/are gateway drugs for many of us here. And, we'll be more than happy to encourage you onward with getting a nice C&V ride of any level set up and rolling.
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I was peeing myself over this as you can't tell if the wedge is loose when the stem is in place. Started applying PB, after several days no luck, stem mounted upside down in the vise, 2x4 through the fork, wouldn't budge, several more days and Voila, came right out, no wrestling, couldn't believe it. initially went in from the top, you have to be careful of the paint and wipe off excess as you go, once I put it in the vise it was upside down so put it in from the bottom.
Seatpost can be a pain, you have to remove the crank/bottom bracket to get it in from the bottom, patience is key and I don't think many LBS have enough in stock.
Only if you're at least %110 they can and will take proper care with this would I let them tackle it, time is money, they can be short on both of those as well.
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I understand - not everyone follows the same "rules" when it comes to storing away the things we love
However, I would like to see pics at some point so I could compare the levers. Much like a number of things Campy produced, not everything ended up in the catalogs. The curved levers seem a short-run kind of thing if indeed the factory produced them in this form.
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However, I would like to see pics at some point so I could compare the levers. Much like a number of things Campy produced, not everything ended up in the catalogs. The curved levers seem a short-run kind of thing if indeed the factory produced them in this form.
DD
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I have trouble keeping up with all of the threads around here, and I only just opened this one tonight. What a great way to spend a late evening (I read it slowly, and savored all of it in one sitting). I'm still very much a bike novice, but that only makes it all the more fun to learn as I'm following along with a tale like this. Believe it or not, I owned a Bianchi from around 1975 to 1995. However, even though it had some Campy parts, it was an entry level model (a Strada) that I doubt anyone here would even want to talk about. I haven't seen one mentioned or pictured in the forums since I joined, anyway.
I have always appreciated the craftsmanship of high-end, high-quality products in general, and the subject of this thread is certainly in that category. I love vintage and collectible items for their style and history (gleaming Campy parts, the classic celeste... what's not to love?). I really appreciate it when people go the extra mile when it comes to the finer details of a project like this; and I really love it when people take the time and the make the effort to provide a lot of good-to-great photographs along with well-written commentary. I'm also very visually oriented, a big fan of great industrial design and art. This bike is a work of art.
So thanks (belatedly) DD, and to everyone else who shared their knowledge here. I doubt I'll ever graduate to a bike this fine, but I really do appreciate it for what it is (except for the part where I won't be riding it).
I haven't seen one mentioned or pictured in the forums since I joined, anyway.I have always appreciated the craftsmanship of high-end, high-quality products in general, and the subject of this thread is certainly in that category. I love vintage and collectible items for their style and history (gleaming Campy parts, the classic celeste... what's not to love?). I really appreciate it when people go the extra mile when it comes to the finer details of a project like this; and I really love it when people take the time and the make the effort to provide a lot of good-to-great photographs along with well-written commentary. I'm also very visually oriented, a big fan of great industrial design and art. This bike is a work of art.
So thanks (belatedly) DD, and to everyone else who shared their knowledge here. I doubt I'll ever graduate to a bike this fine, but I really do appreciate it for what it is (except for the part where I won't be riding it).
We were all novices once - boy, was I ever! Time and experience changes everything. I, too, hope you stick around and you never know, you might well find yourself sharing a top-o-the-line build with us one day
DD
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I listed them on Ebay yesterday. Some clown offered me $10 (opening bid was set at $20); I know they aren't premium because they're missing the dustcaps, but come on...
I wasn't even gonna try using them - I like lightweight parts, but not under my feet
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I understand - not everyone follows the same "rules" when it comes to storing away the things we love
However, I would like to see pics at some point so I could compare the levers. Much like a number of things Campy produced, not everything ended up in the catalogs. The curved levers seem a short-tun kind of thing if indeed the factory produced them in this form.
DD
However, I would like to see pics at some point so I could compare the levers. Much like a number of things Campy produced, not everything ended up in the catalogs. The curved levers seem a short-tun kind of thing if indeed the factory produced them in this form.
DD
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Does your stuck post move at all? If so, you might not have a huge dilemma ahead of you. Just squirt in some of that PB Blaster around the top of the seatpost and let it soak in. The PO and I did that the day I got the bike, then I got some more Blaster for my own use. I added some more the following day, and after about 1.5 days of letting it soak in (from the top only, tho the original intention was to have removed the BB and put in more Blaster from underneath, too) I gave it another go.
I placed a rag under the BB shell to protect it, another couple on the chainstays to protect them, then stepped on the stays with my left foot. I grabbed the saddle/post combo (leaving the saddle on gives plenty of leverage), began twisting and when the twisting suddenly became really easy, I pulled upwards. Took about 20 seconds.
Hopefully that's all there is to it. If not, and yours is REALLY stuck, there are a number of threads here that "step it up" when it comes to the removal process. Let's hope you don't have to go there!
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08-23-19, 01:47 PM
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Thanks DD. I will be checking out that Colnago thread today!
A bit of related trivia. Although my parents moved down here in 1950, they hailed from Tacoma and Seattle. We used to visit relatives up there every summer back in the 50's and 60's, and I have great memories of riding the ferries (and many other things). And to tie this in with art and industrial design, my favorite was the beautiful Kalakala.
A bit of related trivia. Although my parents moved down here in 1950, they hailed from Tacoma and Seattle. We used to visit relatives up there every summer back in the 50's and 60's, and I have great memories of riding the ferries (and many other things). And to tie this in with art and industrial design, my favorite was the beautiful Kalakala.
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Thanks DD. I will be checking out that Colnago thread today!
A bit of related trivia. Although my parents moved down here in 1950, they hailed from Tacoma and Seattle. We used to visit relatives up there every summer back in the 50's and 60's, and I have great memories of riding the ferries (and many other things). And to tie this in with art and industrial design, my favorite was the beautiful Kalakala.
A bit of related trivia. Although my parents moved down here in 1950, they hailed from Tacoma and Seattle. We used to visit relatives up there every summer back in the 50's and 60's, and I have great memories of riding the ferries (and many other things). And to tie this in with art and industrial design, my favorite was the beautiful Kalakala.
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Got a couple pics today. Testing on the cobbles in Redmond:
Almost got nailed by a bus not 10 minutes after shooting this pic:
Still here
I'm really over the moon about this bike's riding manners. It's simply fantastic, no matter what I throw at it.
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Almost got nailed by a bus not 10 minutes after shooting this pic:
Still here
I'm really over the moon about this bike's riding manners. It's simply fantastic, no matter what I throw at it.
DD
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08-26-19, 09:00 AM
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