Miles2go

And you aren't allowed to tip things towards being personal and then complain when it comes back to you. I'm kidding of course, since there are obviously no such rules.

Seattle Forrest

In any case, I had an R3 SL for several years, I loved that bike. I hope you enjoy your R5. I want one. I have a C3 though, with disc brakes on swanky wheels, wide rims, 33 mm actual width tires, and it's basically all the bike I need. Think you can fit 28s on an R5 Disc now though so if I had it all to do over again... Cervelo makes fantastic bikes, they handle perfectly.

Aonex

New Supersix does in fact come with a rim brake option, at least their website says so. You can also check out the Canyon Ultimate. Lots of rim brake builds.

Dean V

5 or 6 should of been sufficient. If you are satisfied that rim brakes are adequate for your needs then congratulations on your new bike.
As speed is so important to you is there any reason you didn't get an aero frame?

Miles2go

Thanks. My rides typically see 2400 feet or more of climbing and I really have liked my old SuperSix. The R5 should be at least little more aero and I think lighter, I know the build itself should be shaving at least a pound.

Miles2go

From memory of what I was told, the rim brake frameset is the non-hi mod version and might only be available as a lower end full build. I think there is a hi-mod frameset but it's a disc only option, like all of the hi-mod builds. I think I got that right.

Miles2go

Thanks, I'm going to start with the certainly not swanky Dura Ace C24 wheelset to get the bike dialed in, and then work from there.

WhyFi

Excel had some smoking deals on R3D and R5D frames right now...

Bah Humbug

One of my favorite things about rim brakes is how dirt cheap the Jet 6 Plus is for what it is, and brakes awesome. The C24 is similar in terms of premium with an aluminum core, yes?

shelbyfv

Guess that's it then. This silliness can be over.

Miles2go

Yeah, I've found many of the local shops and online venues have end of year price cuts on frame sets, even current production R3s & R5s. I got my frameset for just over 2,500. Of course the Dogma F10 is being blown out as well.

Seattle Forrest

Damn you WhyFi!

Luckily they only have the R5D in my size in the $3k version, add a worthy groupset and wheels, and it's more than I want to spend. I loved my R3 though (until we got hit by a car) and that line has a special place in my heart, I've always wanted an R5. But I'm satisfied with my C3.

Miles2go

That is a great wheelset for the price, but 60 is a bit much for often windy AZ.

If the shop can get them, I might spring for set of Black Inc Thirty and they would probably serve me very well. I'm more likely to ease into this though and see how the R5 behaves on some of my favorite routes before I choose my primary wheels.

DeadGrandpa

I'm just going to go ahead and say it. Disc brakes are awesome, way better than rim brakes. You can pretend that's not true, or that the weight you get is somehow not worth the braking power. If so, you're wrong. Think what you want. I haven't been able to convince my fiancee. But that doesn't mean that I'm wrong. Disc brakes are exponentially better than rim brakes. I won't go back. It would be like going back to down tube shifters.

bruce19

How or why someone starts a thread is one thing. How someone responds is on them. It is, after all, a bicycle forum.

tomato coupe

I've been very happy with my Black Inc. wheels.

tomato coupe

One can imagine a world where disc brakes have the been the standard on road bikes for decades, and rim brakes were recently introduced:

- Why would I want to switch to brakes that don't work well in the rain?
- I have to use different brake pads on my carbon wheels and aluminum wheels?
- Wait, they can overheat on long descents when using carbon wheels?
- What do you mean, they limit my tire size?
- They're only going to be used on road bikes, not on cross bikes, gravel bikes, or mountain bikes?
- And this is all just to save a little bit of weight?

waters60

Just what I went from; Chorus rim brakes to Ultegra discs. No comparison. The Ultegras stop better in all situations. The braking action inspires confidence and with the very hilly terrain I ride it is much appreciated.

cat0020

Brakes, who needs them; they only slow you down.

Honestly, rim brakes disc brakes... as long as you have enough to slow you down and not crash into things... either one is fine.

guadzilla

Bike24 still has the R5D frameset for $2000. I got mine from there, and I believe noctiluxx has gotten one as well. Just sayin' Building it up with Ultegra Di2 (pulled from my Venge Pro, which is getting Dura Ace or Red AXS), Lightbicycle sub-1500gm climbing wheels and it should clock it at under 7kg for a little over $4k.

Like you, I too have been jonesing for a Cervelo from way back (although i wanted the S3 when was their top-of-the-line bike). I ended up buying a Venge over the S5 in November, but the R5 scratches my Cervelo itch (I do think the Tarmac is probably a better all-rounder than the R5, but for a training/travel bike, the R5 is more than good enough).

guadzilla

Coming back to the OP - not sure what the point of this thread was, but if his point was that he prefers rim brakes: good on ya, i say. Ride whatever makes you happy.

I just got my first disc brake bike in November, and i liked it enough that i am going to switch my entire stable to discs over time. Only my TT bike is going to remain rim only, atleast for now.

Amt0571

I switched from a bike with low end bTwin rim brakes to another one with hydraulic SRAM Rival. IMHO, disc brakes are not necessary but are more comfortable. I like them because I have weak hands.

On flat terrain and good weather I think discs don't matter. When descending they are more comfortable as they require less lever pressure, and you can brake full force from the hoods.

They shine when it's wet. In that circumstance, they clearly outperform rim brakes.

Finally, maintenance favours rim brakes in my opinion. Rim brakes require more attention, but it's easier and more straightforward. Discs, in my experience, require very little maintenance until something goes wrong, and then you find it it's a messy PITA. Dealing with oils and sticky pistons is as bad as it sounds, and it happens eventually (though less often on Shimano than on Sram).

Of course, I'm talking about hydraulic disc brakes.I'm not sure I'd consider mechanical discs. They require constant tweaking, and have the worst of both worlds while getting only a tiny portion of the good things.

Russ Roth

to brake is to admit defeat.

Totally like the cable disc brakes on my gravel tourer. Just need modest adjustment from time to time, don't have any trouble with wet, mud or cinder dust, and I know I'll have an easier time finding a cable at a lbs if something goes wrong someplace out of the way. Next bike will have hydraulic disc and I love them on my mtb but touring will stay cable.

Amt0571

If you're going to ride several days away from civilization, I understand the value of mechanical discs. It's just not practical to carry a bleed kit and oil with you.

On a mountain bike there's nothing to discuss IMHO: if you're going to do any meaningful descent with it, brakes should be hydraulic discs. Period.

noodle soup

I think if I was touring someplace "out of the way", I'd carry a spare cable.

FTR, most Tour Divide competitors use hydraulic discs, and a few even used Di2. In the US, it doesn't get much more out of the way than that.