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Old 05-26-19, 01:37 AM
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I have never felt the need to turn off my IQ-X, it's really only an issue if you have a 'bent and can't reach the light.
The IQ-X can rotate 180° in the housing so it can be mounted upside down.

I have a Cyo premium on my training bike, it's a good light but the IQ-X is much wider and a little brighter.
A mate has an Edelux, he insists I go first so we can see better.
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For a rear tail light I use a Cygolite Hotshot Pro 150 (note: there's also a newer model the Hotshot Pro 200).

It's very bright, lasts a very long time on flash mode, is USB rechargeable and I feel confident recommending it.

https://www.amazon.com/Cygolite-Hots.../dp/B01IO12LCQ
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I've got the Cygolite Hotshot Pro 200 .... amazing light with very long battery life. Extremely bright but you can set the brightness. Also very good for daytime cycling

If you don't have a Dynamo setup, the Cygolite front lights are amazing .... I like this one:

Expilion 850 USB https://cygolite.com/product/expilion-850-usb/

you can buy additional USB 'battery sticks' if you are planning on going on a long tour
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Old 05-26-19, 09:20 AM
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I've got the Cygolite Hotshot Pro 200 .... amazing light with very long battery life. Extremely bright but you can set the brightness. Also very good for daytime cycling
Oh... I bought the 100, because I got the impression the 150-200 were too bright and annoying for people. I didn't realize you could adjust the brightness, or I would have got the 200 because they are essentially the same price.
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Old 05-26-19, 10:11 AM
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Outbound just launched a new self-contained helmet light, its pretty nice. If I was in the market for a helmet light, I'd get it: https://forums.mtbr.com/lights-night...n-1103700.html
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Old 05-26-19, 10:41 AM
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I can't seem to find dynamo hubs that are already built into wheels. Maybe its a Canada thing, but I can find the wheel, and I can find the dynamo, but never together. That means I'd have to have the wheel built, which is going to run me an additional $150 or so. Yes, I could build it myself, but I'm not ready to dive into that right now.
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Old 05-26-19, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rantoie View Post
Outbound just launched a new self-contained helmet light, its pretty nice. If I was in the market for a helmet light, I'd get it: https://forums.mtbr.com/lights-night...n-1103700.html
How does the mount attach to the helmet?

It looks like it uses sticky tape.
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Old 05-28-19, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rantoie View Post
I can't seem to find dynamo hubs that are already built into wheels. Maybe its a Canada thing, but I can find the wheel, and I can find the dynamo, but never together. That means I'd have to have the wheel built, which is going to run me an additional $150 or so. Yes, I could build it myself, but I'm not ready to dive into that right now.
How is it an additional $150? Here in the States, the labor charge to build a wheel is around $50 US. If you have a bike coop, you might be able to do it for free. We offer lessons at my coop, for a voluntary contribution.
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Old 06-10-19, 05:45 AM
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Rantione, my first post here, i just want to give an hopefully helpful answer to your question as a user of IQ cyo premium, Outbound Road (and Lupine SL-F).

My city bike has a dyno with the IQ Cyo Premium. I thought about buying the iq-x, but decided the cyo premium is enough for the city and the iq-x was not worth the higher price. Haven't regretted that yet.
The cyo premium works perfectly as city light, as you always have background illumination to cover higher reach. In really dark spots it is also fine to detect potholes etc. However it has a not enough luminous flux/output to see much of your own beam pattern when encountering oncoming cars. Here are bike paths along roads on the "wrong" side and roughly 50 cm lower than the street level, so car headlights then tend to blind a lot. In this case the Cyo premium is hopeless. So that is why i bought a Lupine SL-F and (only out of curiousity) the OL Focal Road. With these lamps you can see your own beam with oncoming cars and you do not drive into a "black hole" after the car has passed and your eyes adapt back to the darker environment. One big advantage of the OL Road and the Lupine SL-F in the city is the fact that oncoming car drivers tend to respect your much more, as they probably think of a motorcycle.

As you wrote you'll be in europe, I'd throw in the bm ixon space, which you can get in (german) online shops for 150-170 EUR. It has a clear cut-off, integrated battery and a nice output (7.5W, measured 500 lm, probably 200-300 lm more than the dyno IQ-X version with 2.4W). I compared the OL Road with the SL-F and the Ixon space in a german forum. in the mtbr forum (lights and night riding; thread: outbound focal series discussion) is a post of mine (post 748, can't post a link, as i am too new), where i link to the german post and translate the most important text of the test description.

The new hangover does not seem to be made for city riding, no cut off

tl;dr: OL Road not needed in a city, (very) nice to have, gives you more respect from motorist however

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Old 06-10-19, 10:04 AM
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Question So , where did you look?

I can't seem to find dynamo hubs that are already built into wheels.
wholesalers to bike shops build wheels with parts at wholesale & ship to your LBS, who sell it to you..

typically hub is shimano, maker of several dynamo hub models..







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Old 06-10-19, 12:42 PM
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No one in this or the MTBR thread wants to address how the Outbound Hangover mount attaches to the helmet.

I've asked a second time in the MTBR thread.

The photo on the website looks like it attaches with tape.


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Old 06-11-19, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
No one in this or the MTBR thread wants to address how the Outbound Hangover mount attaches to the helmet.

I've asked a second time in the MTBR thread.

The photo on the website looks like it attaches with tape.


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Take another look at MTBR..........the owner of the company answered like this:

Sorry, thought I had mentioned it before. It'll come with a standard GoPro helmet mount like what infinityzak just posted. We already include these in our Downhill Package. Given that the GoPro style mount is about as much of a standard as we can get in biking, that is why decided to just fully integrate it into the housing itself. No weird adapters or anything.
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It still isn't clear whether the light comes with the portion of the mount which attaches to the helmet or if it has to be purchased separately.
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Old 06-23-19, 11:18 AM
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It still isn't clear whether the light comes with the portion of the mount which attaches to the helmet or if it has to be purchased separately.
The whole thing comes together
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Old 06-23-19, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by polyphrast View Post
So that is why i bought a Lupine SL-F... With these lamps you can see your own beam with oncoming cars and you do not drive into a "black hole" after the car has passed and your eyes adapt back to the darker environment.

As you wrote you'll be in europe, I'd throw in the bm ixon space...

I compared the OL Road with the SL-F and the Ixon space in a german forum. in the mtbr forum (lights and night riding; thread: outbound focal series discussion) is a post of mine (post 748, can't post a link, as i am too new), where i link to the german post and translate the most important text of the test description.
Here is what you said in that post:

Markings in the pics are at 20-22m, 40-42m and 60-62m. The camera settings were ISO 100, aperture F/4, 4 secs exposure time. It was a wet forest road and there came quite some fog up during the shooting. The road has a slight tilt downwards from inbetween the first and the second marking and the pictures are slightly to dark when one looks at the area behind the second marking. The last marking (bike helmet with neon yellow cover) and trees there were clearly visible with the Lupine at all settings (except lowest) and for the outbound (except lowest).

Hum, it looks like the Ixon Space is *not* a dynamo light. I am looking for a dynamo light, neither is the SL-F

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Originally Posted by rantoie View Post
[...] Hum, it looks like the Ixon Space is *not* a dynamo light. I am looking for a dynamo light, neither is the SL-F
Originally Posted by rantoie View Post
I started in this forum this morning looking for some recommendations about bike lights.[...]Then I found a post here that recommended I check out Outbound Lighting's offerings. I really liked what I saw, and I would love to have one of the Road bike versions.... [...]but do I need that kind of light? I live in Montreal, so I'm mostly doing city riding, and there is ok street lighting, however there are insane potholes here, and there are some rides that are not very well lit at all. [...] I'm not a huge fan of the external battery pack, and read over on mtbr forums that they are working on a new model, that sounds like it would not have a battery pack... [...]
Well, i wanted to convey in my post that you do not need the Outbound Road (nor the SL-F), and gave a certain case were i think these high powered lamps are really useful and necessary. If your choice is now a dynamo light (which i can understand), the best available lamp is the IQ-X, at least to my knowledge. In case it doesn't do the job well enough in darker sections to recognizes potholes and other obstacles early enough, maybe combine it with a cheaper flashlight (or the new Outbound hangover) for those conditions.

I only threw in the Ixon Space as you wrote in your inital post that you're not a fan of external battery packs and this one is a very good light (when considering glarefree products) with internal battery.
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Old 07-04-19, 07:08 AM
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Thanks, I've already got a fairly powerful, and cheap, flashlight.

I've been trying to decide between the IQ-X, the Cyo-Premium and the IQ Premium Fly RT Senso Plus.

From what I've read on https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/b&m-hl.php - they think this is the best headlight for daily commute, because the daytime running lights are better than all the rest and with the beam shape the same as the IQ Cyo Premium . Because the daytime LEDs remain lit at night, it helps with reading signs, "and present a larger "footprint" of the headlight itself to oncoming drivers, but not bright enough to blind oncoming drivers."

Previously, I was pretty sure I wanted the Cyo Premium, but having good daytime lighting also would be nice.
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Well, the IQ-X and the Ixon Space use the same reflector. The Space (and the IQ-XE) are just driven with more power. The beam pattern is better than that of the Cyo/Fly Premium, but as i wrote the "Premium" lamps do a sufficient job in the city as well.

As B&M always saves on materials and uses plastic front covers, the IQ-X has (to my knowledge) the advantage that you actually can change the front cover once its scratched. This is not possible for the Fly or Cyo. Also the IQ-X is completely made of aluminum. The Cyo premium only has a aluminum shield for cooling of the LED.
i would not recommend the Fly RT Premium, it has only 60 instead of 80 lux (Cyo T Premium or Fly Premium) due to an additional front reflector which covers part of the front opening. Additionally the housing of the fly is fully made of plastics, which means bad heat transfer from the LED. I'd rather buy the Cyo T Premium (not the RT version...) and add a separate reflector to the bike. Unfortunately there is no "Fly T" Version. I've seen a lot of Cyo (R)T and Fly RT in oncoming traffic, and you will still easily notice a Cyo T during daylight, even though the daytime LEDs are all in a row below the lamp and no so fancy spread apart as in case of the fly rt.

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Originally Posted by polyphrast View Post
Well, the IQ-X and the Ixon Space use the same reflector. The Space (and the IQ-XE) are just driven with more power. The beam pattern is better than that of the Cyo/Fly Premium, but as i wrote the "Premium" lamps do a sufficient job in the city as well.

As B&M always saves on materials and uses plastic front covers, the IQ-X has (to my knowledge) the advantage that you actually can change the front cover once its scratched. This is not possible for the Fly or Cyo. Also the IQ-X is completely made of aluminum. The Cyo premium only has a aluminum shield for cooling of the LED.
i would not recommend the Fly RT Premium, it has only 60 instead of 80 lux (Cyo T Premium or Fly Premium) due to an additional front reflector which covers part of the front opening. Additionally the housing of the fly is fully made of plastics, which means bad heat transfer from the LED. I'd rather buy the Cyo T Premium (not the RT version...) and add a separate reflector to the bike. Unfortunately there is no "Fly T" Version. I've seen a lot of Cyo (R)T and Fly RT in oncoming traffic, and you will still easily notice a Cyo T during daylight, even though the daytime LEDs are all in a row below the lamp and no so fancy spread apart as in case of the fly rt.

Very good points. I'd definitely go for the increased lux, although I read somewhere that this doesn't actually mean 'better'... but it seems like its going to result in more light, which does seem better.

I also do like the more solid construction as well as the heat transfer!

I've been biking a dark path the last few nights, and my cheap $14 flashlight has been really great. Its been making me rethink getting the dynamo, but I think I still will do it.
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Very good points. I'd definitely go for the increased lux, although I read somewhere that this doesn't actually mean 'better'... but it seems like its going to result in more light, which does seem better.

I also do like the more solid construction as well as the heat transfer!

I've been biking a dark path the last few nights, and my cheap $14 flashlight has been really great. Its been making me rethink getting the dynamo, but I think I still will do it.
You're right that more lux does not necessary more light or better (as you just could focus the same amount of light into a tighter spot to have higher lux values), but in this case more lux means as well also more lumens, as it is the same lamp and same reflector. Unfortunately B&M does never give lumens, only lux, as for german regulations lux is the most important thing... You can see this nicely on the official B&M page (BUMM dot de/en), just select one of the dynamo products and on the bottom you see beam shots for different lux values.
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For me its a toss-up between the IQ-X and the Cyo Premium (80 version, which is the upgraded one). There is a higher light output of the IQ-X, and I like the higher quality anodized steel construction. What I do not like is the weak standlight (its only powered by capacitor?), which might suggest I'd need a battery light to supplement it in my urban riding. I wonder too if the beam being so narrow and focused might be too much of an issue, like having trouble seeing signs, or things from the right and left. There is also the issue of the electrical switch, which should just be mechanical, but it glows a blue circle in the back...do I really need a blue circle in my peripheral vision at all times?

Maybe the standlight is not such a big issue, and the switch is also something that will not bother me.
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For me its a toss-up between the IQ-X and the Cyo Premium (80 version, which is the upgraded one). There is a higher light output of the IQ-X, and I like the higher quality anodized steel construction. What I do not like is the weak standlight (its only powered by capacitor?), which might suggest I'd need a battery light to supplement it in my urban riding. I wonder too if the beam being so narrow and focused might be too much of an issue, like having trouble seeing signs, or things from the right and left. There is also the issue of the electrical switch, which should just be mechanical, but it glows a blue circle in the back...do I really need a blue circle in my peripheral vision at all times?
Maybe the standlight is not such a big issue, and the switch is also something that will not bother me.
The manual of the IQ-X says dedicated LEDs for daylight driving. I guess daylight mode and standlight are not the same, in my cyo t premium i have only 2 LEDs below the main light active on standlight mode, but 4 in daylight mode (i.e. while driving in daylight, not standing in daylight). If you worry about a too narrow beam, take the iq-x, the cyo is more narrow, especially in the distance. In case you do not feel safe, use a flash light in strobe mode during daylight...
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i just found a website of a guy who modifies the cyo premium in such a way that you have a high beam (costs 55€), and he also builds a hell of a dynamo bicycle light (180€). Seems like a hobby project offered to interested people. since i can't post links yet and can't send you a pm yet, you'd have to pm me, maybe i can answer... most probably i'll get my cyo premium modified. Too tempting...
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