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Am I crazy?

Old 06-11-19, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cycledogg View Post
My thought exactly!
Here's the thing. If I were going to get another bike, I'd get the SLR 7 with everything I want except the nicer wheels. Based on prices I have been quoted for the bike less my trade, I'd be looking at around $5300 for the SLR 7. All of that just to save .8 lbs! And at the $5300, I would still want the XXX4 wheels for another 2k. Now I'm looking $7300. I can take my bike, add the Di2 shifting and the XXX4 wheels for $3600 and shave .23 lbs from it's current weight. I can't justify spending 5300-7300 to save 1lb. of weight. Make sense? See, that is why I originally asked if "I was crazy", it cost considerably more money to buy a new bike vs upgrading my 1 year old bike.
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Old 06-11-19, 03:54 PM
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Let me put some context in this, I’m selling an almost new Cervelo S3 disc with Bontrager 5 D3 and Dura Ace mechanical for less than what your upgrade cost is... and so far no takers. So $3200 is a lot of dough for just an upgrade.
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Old 06-11-19, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Predator 007 View Post
Here's the thing. If I were going to get another bike, I'd get the SLR 7 with everything I want except the nicer wheels. Based on prices I have been quoted for the bike less my trade, I'd be looking at around $5300 for the SLR 7. All of that just to save .8 lbs! And at the $5300, I would still want the XXX4 wheels for another 2k. Now I'm looking $7300. I can take my bike, add the Di2 shifting and the XXX4 wheels for $3600 and shave .23 lbs from it's current weight. I can't justify spending 5300-7300 to save 1lb. of weight. Make sense? See, that is why I originally asked if "I was crazy", it cost considerably more money to buy a new bike vs upgrading my 1 year old bike.
Since I do not know what you paid for the SL6, I'll assume somewhere around $3200. Add the up grade quote of $3600 that brings the total to $6800. You also said it is less than one year old (still considered as a new bike). So, from where I see it, if you spend the 3600 that brings you close to the $7300 you need for the bike you actually want. Close to $500 more than what you would have to invest in a one year old bike. So to me, the better option would be to spend $500 more, to get what you want, new. All of this is based on the original cost to the SL6. I would keep what you got, and add some nicer wheels.
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Old 06-11-19, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dalava View Post
Let me put some context in this, Im selling an almost new Cervelo S3 disc with Bontrager 5 D3 and Dura Ace mechanical for less than what your upgrade cost is... and so far no takers. So $3200 is a lot of dough for just an upgrade.
Oh man. I wish I could take it!

What size? Somebody else reading this thread might want it.
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Old 06-11-19, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Oh man. I wish I could take it!

What size? Somebody else reading this thread might want it.
54cm, done up right with Cervelo carbon aero road bar and aero stem, Schwalbe Pro One tubeless 25c tires. All ready to go.
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Old 06-11-19, 05:01 PM
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OP, if you rode a 54 that's an incredible bike.
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Old 06-11-19, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by smashndash View Post

If you get new wheels with the 11 speed freehub, they may be incompatible with all new Shimano groupsets. Do you trust Trek to make a replacement freehub for the XXX4?
DT Swiss already makes one that will work with those hubs.
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Old 06-12-19, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Less traffic, safer conditions, better scenery, more wildlife than texting drivers ... what's not to like?
Absolutely!! I rode for over two hours and didn't see a single car! Plenty of deer though, and ground hogs, turtles, snakes, even a weasel. Plus, you can throw a set of road tires on your gravel bike and still go fast, just more comfortably! (I'm not getting rid of my road bike, because N+1, but it's def going to be getting used a lot less lol)

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Old 06-12-19, 08:01 AM
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DT Swiss already makes one that will work with those hubs.
I guess thats just one more reason its handy to have DT internals. Closest thing to a universal hub weve got 😁
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Old 06-12-19, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by smashndash View Post
I guess thats just one more reason its handy to have DT internals. Closest thing to a universal hub weve got 😁
Shimano wisely chose to work with DT on this. It makes going 12 speed much easier for many cyclists.
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Old 06-13-19, 12:37 PM
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di2 is all good until it's not.

For the record, I've been riding di2 for six years and am currently on my second group set.

When my first di2 group set (2013 ultegra di2) became problematic after ~20k miles, once I rode 25 miles home with the biggest gear 54 x 28 (rear derailleur failure). Another time, I had ride through 10 miles of rolling hills with the smallest gear 34 x 11 due to another rear derailleur failure.

I had no complaints since it's over 20k miles. I went ahead and got DA R9100 di2.
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Old 06-13-19, 03:21 PM
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Ever thought of going Titanium? Honestly with the kind of coin you are willing to spend I'd bee looking at Lynskey or another good Ti brand. Sell that nice carbon steed and go titanium. I think you are throwing money at something you won't be happy with long term. If you are not getting enjoyment out of your nice carbon bike without spending another $3000 in upgrades something is seriously wrong. That carbon bike won't be worth much in the long run either which is why if you are really willing to spend, a nice titanium bike is better imo. I'd sell the carbon bike while it still has some value since they depreciate fast.

Also Di2 has had issues with batteries not sure if that is solved. Don't forget to recharge them and bring a spare. To me it's just another thing that can fail.
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Old 06-13-19, 03:58 PM
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Get what you want, it's your money. I don't mind spending money on my bike in ways that others may find wasteful b/c I think biking is about the most enjoyment I can get out of my money. If those upgrades get you riding more or enhance your enjoyment, go for it.
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Old 06-13-19, 08:46 PM
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Crazy?

Maybe. Maybe not.

It depends on what else is going in in your financial life, which is none of our business.
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Old 06-13-19, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by hsuehhwa View Post
di2 is all good until it's not.

For the record, I've been riding di2 for six years and am currently on my second group set.

When my first di2 group set (2013 ultegra di2) became problematic after ~20k miles, once I rode 25 miles home with the biggest gear 54 x 28 (rear derailleur failure). Another time, I had ride through 10 miles of rolling hills with the smallest gear 34 x 11 due to another rear derailleur failure.

I had no complaints since it's over 20k miles. I went ahead and got DA R9100 di2.
Your experience with Di2 is very unusual. I've worked on hundreds of Di2 equipped bikes, and the only failures I've seen are batteries with the first generation, and one first generation Ultegra rear derailleur.

When Di2 was first released I expected it to have many bugs, but most of the early problems were from user error(and poorly trained mechanics). Now that most higher end bikes have internal routing, Di2 is nearly trouble free.

For a home mechanic that doesn't have the proper cable/wire routing tools, installation is a little tricky. For a professional, Di2 installation is no big deal.

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Old 06-14-19, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
Your experience with Di2 is very unusual. I've worked on hundreds of Di2 equipped bikes, and the only failures I've seen are batteries with the first generation, and one first generation Ultegra rear derailleur.

When Di2 was first released I expected it to have many bugs, but most of the early problems were from user error(and poorly trained mechanics). Now that most higher end bikes have internal routing, Di2 is nearly trouble free.

For a home mechanic that doesn't have the proper cable/wire routing tools, installation is a little tricky. For a professional, Di2 installation is no big deal.
My first ultegra di2 set came with 2013 Cannondale Evo. I had premium bike shops do overhaul once/twice a year. Our of curiosity, among the hundreds di2 you worked with, how many had >~20k miles + ~1.5 million ft climbing?

As I said, I'm satisfied with the durability of the 2013 ultegra di2. As a result, I upgraded to DA R9100 di2.
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Originally Posted by hsuehhwa View Post
My first ultegra di2 set came with 2013 Cannondale Evo. I had premium bike shops do overhaul once/twice a year. Our of curiosity, among the hundreds di2 you worked with, how many had >~20k miles + ~1.5 million ft climbing?

As I said, I'm satisfied with the durability of the 2013 ultegra di2. As a result, I upgraded to DA R9100 di2.
It's pretty hard to get that amount of climbing here in the Phoenix area, but many of those bikes had far more than 20k miles. I've seen a fair amount of broken Di2 rear derailleurs and shifters, but parts break when you wreck.

I didn't think you were unhappy with Di2, I was just pointing out that having multiple failures was a little out of the norm.
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Old 06-14-19, 09:12 AM
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https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-m...l#post20096859

The OP never posted how the issue was solved,


https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycl...s-caution.html

again, The OP never posted how the issue was solved,


https://www.bikeforums.net/professio...stage-9-a.html

Did you even read this thread?
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Old 06-14-19, 09:21 AM
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Technically the Di2 as well, but realistically you're not going to.
I have done it twice and for DI2 I will never have a bike without it. This is all predicated on being able to do your own work.
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Old 06-14-19, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hsuehhwa View Post
My first ultegra di2 set came with 2013 Cannondale Evo. I had premium bike shops do overhaul once/twice a year. Our of curiosity, among the hundreds di2 you worked with, how many had >~20k miles + ~1.5 million ft climbing?
My 2014 evo di2 ultegra has 29k and 1.5M ft. I haven't had any issues with the di2.

That said, I'm 99% as happy riding my manual ultegra allez.
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Old 06-14-19, 09:35 PM
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I recently bought a gently used Giant TCR with Ultegra Di2 and I love it. It shifts so much better than the 105 triple on the Fuji Roubaix is replacing ever did...

200 miles in and I haven't found a bad thing to say about it yet :-)
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Originally Posted by Predator 007 View Post
I have a one year old Trek SL 6 Pro but really like the electronic shifting (Di2). My local shop gave me a price of $1400 to do the upgrade. I also want to upgrade from the Aeolus Pro 3 wheels to the Aeolus XXX4 since they will be on "sale". Bottom line is I'm dumping $3,600 including tax into it. It is still cheaper than selling/trading and then buying a new bike.
i believe the correct term is "r i crazy"

well imo if the mechs are working there is no real reason to swap it.
the mechs are working as they should for about 20 years usually if you oil them.
there is no real reason to swap to electric mech unless you/your biked shop is very severely incompentent in settiung up mech gears. and then there is no real guaratee they will be able to set up the electric ones for you. hey its even a lesser chance of that happening!

i want to tell you about wheels. they dont actually make you slower of faster. its all in your head. talking commercially available ones. you might see 1-2 maybe 3 seconds faster in 15-30 minutes. you are fooling yourself if you think this will make you faster. an aero wheel will make you maybe 2km/h faster at 300w and a 60mm aero wheel will make you 2,5-3km/h faster at the same output. (scientifically proven)

so you might just as well put aero wheels on the bike you already have. then again does 2km/h matter to you with your bike? maybe it dopes maybe it doesn't. i for one dont give a flying F.
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an aero frame give about 0,5km/h at max.
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