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Old 05-02-19, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post

Go back to the Floyd Landis case at the 2006 Tour de France. It's among the few cases where an athlete admitted to specifics about doping and the effects.

Short version:
  • Without adequate juicing, Landis was physically exhausted and lost 10 minutes, and the yellow jersey, in Stage 16.
  • With juice, the next day on another mountain stage Landis won Stage 17 and secured the TdF win with a long solo breakaway, basically turning a mountain stage into a time trial, along with solid performances in subsequent stages. One of the most spectacular come from behind victories in cycling history. Check out the videos on YouTube.

Yeah, that kinda got everyone's attention.

That's how much difference it makes.
While steroids almost certainly helped him, I don't think it's fair to say they were responsible for the difference here. First, Floyd was using PEDs before those rides. Second, people often have bad days and then rebound the following day (or vice versa). Finally, his gap on the last day was largely due to teams letting him go.
Again, I'm sure the use of steroids helped here, but it's impossible from this single anecdotal data point to say how much they actually helped and how much was from other factors.
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Old 05-02-19, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dooner90 View Post
well you probably can't believe what you're reading because you're reading my post wrong.... I'm not considering taking steroids. I don't even suggest this in the OP.

I mentioned that I'm new to cycling -- not that I'm new to cycling and want to try steroids. You misread me.
Why do you want to know?
Really it is of no relevance to anyone unless you are in the Pro Peleton.
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Old 05-02-19, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by maartendc View Post
Alright then.

Steroids are probably among the things that professional cyclists used to take. More importantly they used to take blood boosters such as EPO which give a boost in red blood cell count, very beneficial to endurance athletes. In more recent years, they went to blood transfusions even, reinjecting themselves with old blood that was extracted previously. Pretty gross stuff. There have been many books written about all of these practices in the 90s and 2000s.

Most of us who enjoy professional cycling racing choose to believe, or hope, that the sport is now much cleaner. At least any abuses are not as rampant as they used to be, controls are stricter and better. Athletes are tested during training as well, at random times. No sport will probably ever be 100% clean, but we can try.

Thanks. Let me ask, since the fallout over steroid use within the sport (following Armstrong, et al.) have you noticed a significant drop in the performance of the pros? More specifically, did you notice that professional time trial speeds began to diminish after the sport became more regulatory with steroids? This was more along the lines of what I meant in my OP. Thanks
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Hire Chris Carmichael as coach, then he can inject you with steroids while saying..."No Problem, just some vitamins"
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Originally Posted by dooner90 View Post
Thanks. Let me ask, since the fallout over steroid use within the sport (following Armstrong, et al.) have you noticed a significant drop in the performance of the pros? More specifically, did you notice that professional time trial speeds began to diminish after the sport became more regulatory with steroids? This was more along the lines of what I meant in my OP. Thanks
Yes I have heard average speeds / times up certain famous climbs of the Grand Tours (tour de France, Giro D'Italia, etc.) have definitely gotten slower since the 90s.
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Old 05-03-19, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by maartendc View Post
Yes I have heard average speeds / times up certain famous climbs of the Grand Tours (tour de France, Giro D'Italia, etc.) have definitely gotten slower since the 90s.
Yeah, I've read this in a few places too. The drop was as much as 10%.

But, just to point out to the OP, it was the discovery of a viable EPO test and the biological passport that did this, not really fallout from Lance and steroids generally had little to do with it. In cycling, as in other endurance sports, EPO is the heavy hitter.
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Old 05-03-19, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
Why do you want to know?
Really it is of no relevance to anyone unless you are in the Pro Peleton.
lol are you in the pro peleton? Is it a secret club?
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Old 05-05-19, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dooner90 View Post
Hey everyone,

I'm a somewhat younger rider who's just getting into the sport. Before I ever picked up a road bike I knew that premiere cyclists of the past have used steroids. What's the general consensus on this subject? Do cyclists still use these products at the top levels of the game, or was there a big backlash against it after the fallout with Armstrong back in the day? I'd be really interest to see a comparative graph with data showing how much performance differs from cyclists who use steroids vs. cyclists who don't use them; in short, I'd like some raw info on the performance enhancing effects.

I'll commit this thread to steroids in general. Share any perspectives, thoughts, incites, or personal stories. Thanks for your time.
Steroids are a type of drugs used by cyclists. See the doping thread for opinions on the professional use.

For younger riders just getting into it (not the forum title), I don't think it is much of an issue, anywhere. And I do think it varies by location.
But the dopers seem to be:
-at the very young elite end trying to become pro
-pros trying to move up / pay the bills (this forum - see drug thread)
-or at the older end trying not to decline so fast. Most pros have stopped riding by this time.
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Old 06-18-19, 10:45 AM
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Here is the list of athletes sanctioned by USADA in recent years. If you filter for cycling you'll see that masters athletes are the majority of those sanctioned, and steroids are pretty common among those busted. Given the small amount of testing and the number of sanctions, I think it is likely that most active masters bike racers have competed against someone that is doping. I just did a race last weekend that was won by a guy busted for using steroids back in 2009 (I'd assume he is clean now). It didn't take away from my experience in the race, so I just don't pay attention to it.
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Old 06-18-19, 12:20 PM
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I don't know ... I don't race. I don't really follow racing. You have to be under a pretty big rock not to know about Lance Armstrong. Since ALL posters in this thread know about Armstrong, Landis and others ... why is there still any argument about the effectiveness of PED's? I have no choice but to assume the $#*@ works. Therefore if you are racing against doped competitors and they don't crash or commit serious tactical blunders they will crush you. I DOUBT it was Armstrong's or any other competitive athletes choice to use PED's. It obviously was his decision, but a refusal to proceed with the doping program once the offer was made by team management would have relegated him to a supporting role and therefore out of the winners circle. It is a decision that you don't have to think about unless you show the potential for greatness. No team is going to waste the resources on 2nd string talent. It was obviously a mistake to believe that Armstrong was clean and won 7 TdF Gold Medals on talent. A lot of us knew better, but a lot more who should have known better wanted to believe in miracles. If you want to believe that your favorite racer who consistently winds up a top finisher in the large majority, if not all the races they enter ... if despite the historical record you need to believe they are doing it with nothing other than talent and hard work ... knock yourself out. If, as a newcomer to the sport you want to believe that the age of doping is over and that going forward all racing will be free from PED involvement ... again, knock yourself out. Why not? There is no downside to going in with your eyes shut. Have fun, train hard, win races ... who knows ... ...
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