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# Software update: 4/18/19

04-18-19, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by IBRyan
The quote box has been fixed! If we get more users wanting to revert the bold text back to how it was before, I can raise the issue with tech.
As one who quotes frequently, I don't like the gray background to the quote boxes. It seems to diminish them.
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
Furthermore, I quoted eight (8) subscribers in my first post to this thread.
Originally Posted by gugie
Mentions/quote notification should be #1 priority. It generates more use.
Originally Posted by Rollfast
You mean that more people possibly view your profile?

I killed that stuff off in the last version and never lacked for people looking at that, same for quotes.

Let's get the posting and editing features up and running right first? Mentions etc. were the last things added into it anyway
Originally Posted by obrentharris
You miss the point. Some of us actually like to communicate with each other:

Quotes and mentions are a great tool for doing that, also for moving discussions forward within a large and diverse thread. Just look at the number of times quotes have been used to forward this discussion.
Originally Posted by himespau
I imagine that he means that those of us who get e-mail notification of quotes and mentions are more likely to come back more frequently because our interest has been piqued to wonder what people are saying about our comments not that we want to look at the profiles of people...

And mentioning [and quoting] someone draws their attention to the thread in which they've been mentioned, which they might not otherwise visit, again bringing up the number of visits.

More page views => more revenue...
04-18-19, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
I don't use a lot of uppercase only, although will occasionally use it to highlight certain items. The first time I noticed the issue was this afternoon on BikeForums (some word processors will do autocorrect of capital issues, although one can usually work around it).

And, of course, abbreviations. EPS, OK, etc.

I sent myself an E-Mail, and it was fine.

I haven't posted on many other forums lately. But, I am a member on a couple of other forums, and I'll see if they're experiencing the issue. But, it would be an interesting coincidence that the issue cropped up the day of the update.

I am often a bit wordy, but this struck me with one of my rare very short quote replies.
Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti
this is a capslock test with lots of internet shouting

EDIT: Looks like just a run-of-the-mill anti-internet-shouting blocker (The above was all caps)....so long as there is more than the caps, nothing seems askew on FF66.0.3, BikeForumsNG skin, on Linux WRT caps
Okay, let me raise this issue to tech as well!
04-18-19, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti
this is a capslock test with lots of internet shouting

EDIT: Looks like just a run-of-the-mill anti-internet-shouting blocker (The above was all caps)....so long as there is more than the caps, nothing seems askew on FF66.0.3, BikeForumsNG skin, on Linux WRT caps
Originally Posted by IBRyan
Okay, let me raise this issue to tech as well!
Overall, that is probably not a bad thing in general. Those posts that are 100% caps can be annoying (and I often ignore them).

It is not clear what triggers the caps change, or how to avoid it.

Unfortunately, the system seems to make a lot of mistakes.

For example, the first letter above is sent to lower case. Many dictionaries seem to prefer OK to Ok or ok.

(an aside, my cell phone auto correct also often makes that first word caps mistake, and has been doing so for eons).

And, killing off commonly accepted abbreviations and acronyms. EPS, MUP, MUT, etc. (Of course, EPS is specific to cycling, or perhaps computer programming).

Here is the post where I discovered the error:
https://www.bikeforums.net/20890673-post19.html

Say what you wish, the whole thread was written somewhat tongue-in-cheek, so I would argue my response and use of caps was appropriate.
04-18-19, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by IBRyan
What are the exact issues you are referring to?
Did you guys not log our complaints into a backlog and track them?

I'm not going to go through a 1 year old, 19 page thread and recount every bug logged there by users. You should be paying someone to do that.

BF needs to get its act together. The site is getting worse each update, not better.

Pet projects like, "Like Buttons", are cute, but don't help the core product.
04-18-19, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
As one who quotes frequently, I don't like the gray background to the quote boxes. It seems to diminish them.
I use quotes frequently, and sometimes nested quotes or multi-quotes, but do find that over-use of nested quotes is quite annoying to read, and in itself diminishes the response.

Personally I like the grey background for quotes, It makes them pop out as being "important" to the topic, and provides contrast between the quoted text and the current post.

That is, unless the person posting is too lazy, and puts their comments within the quoted text.
However, on a similar note, I initially found the grey background for indented text to be annoying.

Since that change was made, I started using it as a kind of mini-quote (and a quotable quote). But, in a sense, normal background would be preferable. One thing, however, as my eyeballs get older, I dislike low-contrast text. So, grey text on a grey background???
Another annoyance I noted a while ago. Lists no longer have the bullets indented. I think it used to be that way, but I noticed the lack of the indent a few months ago.
• one
• two
• three

Did we ever get tables back?

[table][TR][TD]abc[/TD][TD]def[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]ABC[/TD][TD]DEF[/TD][/TR]
[/table]

Any chance of ever getting superscripts and subscripts?

CO[SUB]2[/SUB]

X[SUP]2[/SUP]

LaTeX?
$$\sum\limits_{i=1**^n {3i**$$

Grrr.... something killed off my LaTeX (which I think I wrote a while ago, then borrowed from another website).
04-18-19, 05:20 PM
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Another issue that I mentioned before without resolution:

The option "Automatically retrieve titles from external links" generally not work with HTTPS websites (which is now just about everything).

With "HTTPS"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle

Without "HTTPS" (just "HTTP")

Hmmm, just dropping the "s" didn't work. Actually, it kind of scrambled it. And, the proper formatting still doesn't show in the preview.

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04-18-19, 05:35 PM
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I'm not sure if this got posted or not.

There was an issue with the option "Automatically embed media", and some Facebook videos (they show up in a quote, but not in the original post).

04-18-19, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
I'm not sure if this got posted or not.

There was an issue with the option "Automatically embed media", and some Facebook videos (they show up in a quote, but not in the original post).

The missing videos from the other post.

Of course, disabling: "Automatically embed media (requires automatic parsing of links in text to be on).", and they're also fine.

04-18-19, 05:48 PM
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The Bike Forums logo at the top of the page seems HUGE now.
The grey bar next to/inline with the drop down tabs along the top is a classy touch (insert sarcastic eyeroll here).
The font used in quick reply is not the same font that appears when the message is posted.
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04-18-19, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by IBRyan
Okay, let me raise this issue to tech as well!
I think this is the way it's always been here. The whole post can't be caps is all.
04-18-19, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatballer
I think this is the way it's always been here. The whole post can't be caps is all.
It could well have been that way for some time.

I just noted it today with a very short reply of the Campy form of Di2. And, then it auto-scrambled everything.
04-19-19, 03:42 AM
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If IB can't figure out what's wrong with this image, then that explains what the hell is going on there.

95% of the "Above of the Fold" space is ABSO-EFFING-LUTELY USELESS. 100% if the person doesn't care about what's in the stickied threads.

Who would want to join a site that looks like this?

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04-19-19, 06:59 AM
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Ooh, I like the new subscribed button at the bottom of the thread. That's nice.
04-19-19, 06:59 AM
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Breadcrumbs are really nice too. I like what little I've seen of this update so far. Thanks guys.
04-19-19, 08:36 AM
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Note how large the Bike Forums logo is at the top, and also how it butts up against the very top of the page. Looks terrible. There should be some space above the logo.
Also note the large grey box along the top row of dropdown items. Yes, I logged out, cleared cookies, and it still persists, both on my desktop and my iphone.

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04-19-19, 08:56 AM
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https://www.bikeforums.net/forum-sug...l#post20891510

A few more recent examples from the C&V forum
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...a-touring.html

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...b-jackson.html
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04-19-19, 09:00 AM
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Note how large the Bike Forums logo is at the top, and also how it butts up against the very top of the page. Looks terrible. There should be some space above the logo.
Also note the large grey box along the top row of dropdown items. Yes, I logged out, cleared cookies, and it still persists, both on my desktop and my iphone.

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04-19-19, 09:31 AM
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I have the same gray box that @hazetguy reports. I have a paid membership. I logged in with an unpaid membership and did not have the gray box. This information might help those who are working on fixing this.
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I don't see the LIKE option on posts. Neither Windows 10 Firefox nor Edge.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
The missing videos from the other post.

Of course, disabling: "Automatically embed media (requires automatic parsing of links in text to be on).", and they're also fine.

Originally Posted by hazetguy
The Bike Forums logo at the top of the page seems HUGE now.
The grey bar next to/inline with the drop down tabs along the top is a classy touch (insert sarcastic eyeroll here).
The font used in quick reply is not the same font that appears when the message is posted.
Originally Posted by CliffordK
I use quotes frequently, and sometimes nested quotes or multi-quotes, but do find that over-use of nested quotes is quite annoying to read, and in itself diminishes the response.

Personally I like the grey background for quotes, It makes them pop out as being "important" to the topic, and provides contrast between the quoted text and the current post.

That is, unless the person posting is too lazy, and puts their comments within the quoted text.
However, on a similar note, I initially found the grey background for indented text to be annoying.

Since that change was made, I started using it as a kind of mini-quote (and a quotable quote). But, in a sense, normal background would be preferable. One thing, however, as my eyeballs get older, I dislike low-contrast text. So, grey text on a grey background???

Another annoyance I noted a while ago. Lists no longer have the bullets indented. I think it used to be that way, but I noticed the lack of the indent a few months ago.

• one
• two
• three

Did we ever get tables back?

[table][TR][TD]abc[/TD][TD]def[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]ABC[/TD][TD]DEF[/TD][/TR]
[/table]

Any chance of ever getting superscripts and subscripts?

CO[SUB]2[/SUB]

X[SUP]2[/SUP]

LaTeX?
$$\sum\limits_{i=1**^n {3i**$$

Grrr.... something killed off my LaTeX (which I think I wrote a while ago, then borrowed from another website).
Originally Posted by carleton
If IB can't figure out what's wrong with this image, then that explains what the hell is going on there.

95% of the "Above of the Fold" space is ABSO-EFFING-LUTELY USELESS. 100% if the person doesn't care about what's in the stickied threads.

Who would want to join a site that looks like this?

Bounce. Bounce. Bounce...to FB, IG, Redd*t.

@CliffordK I am glad the video links are working for you now! I would like to make sure the problems we are currently having are fixed and make sure that the problems mentioned in the past are ironed out before adding anything in.

@hazetguy our team discovered that problem with the logo and we are currently working on the fix for it!

@carleton let me see what I can do with finding you a resolution about the stickies there.
04-19-19, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by JanMM
I don't see the LIKE option on posts. Neither Windows 10 Firefox nor Edge.
It's not showing up on Chrome Win10 either.
04-19-19, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Igotdibs
It's not showing up on Chrome Win10 either.
Don't see it on my Windows 7 in either Chrome or Explorer. Have not tried it on my other computer that has Windows 10
04-19-19, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by IBRyan
@carleton let me see what I can do with finding you a resolution about the stickies there.
Ryan, you are kinda making my point

The stickies aren’t the problem.
04-19-19, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JanMM
I don't see the LIKE option on posts. Neither Windows 10 Firefox nor Edge.
Originally Posted by Igotdibs
It's not showing up on Chrome Win10 either.
Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart
Don't see it on my Windows 7 in either Chrome or Explorer. Have not tried it on my other computer that has Windows 10
@JanMM @Igotdibs @danburkhart please see the new announcement.
04-19-19, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by carleton
Ryan, you are kinda making my point

The stickies aren’t the problem.
So what is the problem? I am just trying to best understand what the exact issues are so I can bring them up to tech and get on fixing that for the Bike Forums community.