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Will you ever go disc?

Old 04-23-19, 01:53 PM
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I did, but its my Bike Friday , not my road bike (its C&V) ..
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
One needs to race to have the best braking available?


I don't have an unlimited budget either. Hydraulic discs don't cost a fortune. I wouldn't run out and buy a new bike, just to get disc brakes, but I won't buy another road bike without them(unless it's a TT bike).

I'd rather go back to mechanical shifting, than to rim brakes.
I've never needed any more braking than afforded by rim brakes. I'm guessing that maximum braking is needed more in racing. I'm not against disc brakes, I personally don't have the need.

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Old 04-23-19, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MSchott View Post
I've never needed any more braking than afforded by rim brakes. I'm guessing that maximum braking is needed more in racing. I'm not against disc brakes, I personally don't have the need.
Not necessarily. For crits, I'll actually loosen the front caliper so that I'll have *less* braking.
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Old 04-23-19, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by carlos danger View Post
From my experience hydros are great when everything is working and not so great when stuff isn't
I've had shimanos and formulas. And they all developed some weird problem within a year. The formulas needed bleeding every year and the shimanos had multiple problems. I basically got tired of it and went cable instead. Its very easy to fix and troubleshoot cable discs. I run bb7 on all bikes.
That's interesting. One of my road bikes has BB7's, and I'm not a fan. Constantly squealing and in need of adjustment, and I honestly don't notice that they work any better than other brakes. All of my other road bikes have rim brakes, which are totally fine for the Midwest, so it will probably be a while before I have disks on another road bike. I had always heard that hydros solved the issues that I have with BB7's, so I figured if I ever did get road disks they would be hydros. I have never heard of someone switching from hydros to mechanicals before.
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Old 04-23-19, 05:25 PM
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I don't wish to belittle anyone's position on this topic, but I'm old enough to recall similar debates on manual vs automatic transmissions on cars.
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Originally Posted by bobwysiwyg View Post
I don't wish to belittle anyone's position on this topic, but I'm old enough to recall similar debates on manual vs automatic transmissions on cars.
I still have a manual in my car. So, I guess I"m consistent.
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
I still have a manual in my car. So, I guess I"m consistent.
"Manual transmissions account for just 2 percent of all vehicles sold in 2018, according to data from Edmunds.com."

Hang in there.
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Originally Posted by bobwysiwyg View Post
I don't wish to belittle anyone's position on this topic, but I'm old enough to recall similar debates on manual vs automatic transmissions on cars.
Originally Posted by bobwysiwyg View Post
"Manual transmissions account for just 2 percent of all vehicles sold in 2018, according to data from Edmunds.com."

Hang in there.
Yeah, I know. I'm planning to pass on this current car to my kids in a year when they turn 16. I expect that they could park it in the HS parking lot with the keys in the ignition and no one would steal it.
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If I were still racing, there would be disc brakes on my bikes as that is what the sponsor provides. Outside of racing? No. Does not solve a problem for me as I don't have stopping issues with rim brakes. My last mountain bike had disc brakes and they were very effective, however they didn't make me any faster than the rim brake model it replaced, and I didn't hit fewer trees with them either. Simply put, disc brakes do not fix something that ain't broke.
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Originally Posted by jackb View Post
Why couldn't manufacturers come up with a rim brake that allowed for wider tire? I'm sure such a thing is possible.
They exist, they're just not standard for the built kits that component manufacturers send to bike manufacturers.

The best rim brakes in my stable are probably the Deore T610 V-brakes on my gravel bike. I've got them set up above 52mm tires and full-length fenders with healthy clearance to spare. They're as light as 105 caliper brakes, despite being cheaper. They're extremely powerful in all conditions. And when it's not mucky out, they modulate around as well as the hydro discs on my MTB (right now they're actually significantly better, but that's unfair because my hydros are in need of a bleed, whereas I just serviced the V-brakes).

Actually, before the narrow tire fad strangled the market in the 1980s, it was typical for road calipers to be able to handle 35mm tires or bigger. Dual-pivot centerpulls and especially cantilevers could go considerably wider. As far as road bikes are concerned, "rim brakes can't handle wide tires" is more a fashion issue than an engineering problem. The main technical advantages of disc brakes on road bikes are wet-weather modulation and avoidance of rim wear.
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Old 04-23-19, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bobwysiwyg View Post
"Manual transmissions account for just 2 percent of all vehicles sold in 2018, according to data from Edmunds.com."

Hang in there.
That number of 2% would be very different if you counted the rest of the world outside the USA!
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Yeah, I know. I'm planning to pass on this current car to my kids in a year when they turn 16. I expect that they could park it in the HS parking lot with the keys in the ignition and no one would steal it.
My car has a manual transmission too. I have 4 teenagers and none of them have ever been able to learn how to drive it. I took one of my daughters out for a drive, and she gave up after half-an-hour or so.
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That number of 2% would be very different if you counted the rest of the world outside the USA!
Google's you friend.. most of the time. Here ya go..

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ion-worldwide/
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Originally Posted by bobwysiwyg View Post
I don't wish to belittle anyone's position on this topic, but I'm old enough to recall similar debates on manual vs automatic transmissions on cars.
Oh it goes back a whole lot further than that or your father or your great-grandfather.

Ex. Horses vs the horseless carriage? Why change something that has served us well for a thousand years? We really should know better by now.
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Old 04-23-19, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by base2 View Post
Evidently you have never experienced them in action.

(Serious. I do have broken teeth from a bike accident.)
Thru-axles? Yes, I had a demo at a local shop. Confirmed: they are a PITA. I'm at a minimum removing and stashing my front wheel once per day. Could not be bothered with anything that involves spinning.

In 5 decades of using (proper) QR skewers, I've never had any incident or even a close call.

Another advantage of using QR skewers without lawyer tabs is added security. So you park your bike unlocked while while you dash into a washroom or to grab a coffee. Opening up both skewers will make a successful snatch and ride theft harder.
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I love new tech
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Originally Posted by kingston View Post
My car has a manual transmission too. I have 4 teenagers and none of them have ever been able to learn how to drive it. I took one of my daughters out for a drive, and she gave up after half-an-hour or so.
We've officially accounted for every stick shift in America in this thread now.
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Before going disc, I'd probably want to first ensure my LBS has a bleed kit in their workshop. I've heard it's a thing -- shops selling disc bikes but can't work on them.
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Discs? I don't need no stinking discs.
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In 5 decades of using (proper) QR skewers, I've never had any incident or even a close call.
Irrelevant - none of those 5 decades has been with the POWAH of disc brakes.
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Before going disc, I'd probably want to first ensure my LBS has a bleed kit in their workshop. I've heard it's a thing -- shops selling disc bikes but can't work on them.
Never seen this before.

A bleed kit isn't expensive, and there's nothing difficult about bleeding brakes.
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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer View Post
Thru-axles? Yes, I had a demo at a local shop. Confirmed: they are a PITA. (Because it is different than I'm used to.) I'm at a minimum removing and stashing my front wheel once per day. (And I hate it when my disc goes back in the same place relative to the calpier every time consistantly)Could not be bothered with anything that involves spinning.

In 5 decades of using (proper) QR skewers, I've never had any incident or even a close call. (Because everyone knows my quick releases are infallible and always work 100% of the time, with out fail and operator error is not possible.)

Another disadvantage of using QR skewers without lawyer tabs is added insecurity. So you park your bike unlocked while while you dash into a washroom or to grab a coffee. Opening up both skewers will make a successful snatch and ride theft harder...But that'll never happen to me. I am immune to infallibility.



FIFY





Safety third.

FWIW, what did me in on my disc bike was the senior mechanic at a well known bike shop. I'll not mention them here, but their website rhymes with schmikesaledotcom. About 5 miles into riding home from that shop, I asked myself "What is that rattle-rattle?" And looked down to see it was the front wheel. I then used the rear brake to stop & fasten the QR appropriatly. The lawyer tabs did exactly what the were supposed to.

My 17 year-old kid has all the mechanical ability of a tree-stump. On his rim brake bike I noticed the wires for his dynamo were wrapped around the axle. The lawyer tabs worked & held everything in place. He had no idea how long it'd been that way.

And finally 35 years ago, my front teeth became brakes when I had the joy of having the front of the bike decide it didn't want to play bicycle any more.

But yeah, you do you, man. Safety is for losers.
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My most recent bike purchase was a disc brake bike. I doubt I'll ever buy a bike with rim bakes again. The brakes are just better. Plus, I like thru-axles better than QR. Everything is aligned perfectly every time and I'm not racing, so I don't care about a few extra seconds it takes to put them on.
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