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Old 06-01-19, 12:04 PM
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Wow, what a thoroughbred! Looking forward to your build.
Now that I know what a Portcatena is, are you gonna get one?
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Good score. Have fun building!
I've tried to get my hands on a Campy high-low but hasn't come in at my price
Cheers, Eric

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Don't turn into a Colnago snob, though.
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Brake hoods arrived today. To me, they seem pretty nice.




They went straight into a talc powder "shower" in preparation for installation.
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Don't turn into a Colnago snob, though.
Not likely. He has two Ironmans (Ironmen?)
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Nice! Enjoy the ride. Similar story to me, but from my prime riding days, lusted after a mid-90s Master Light in Mapei paint, or the blue Art Decor. Early last winter, ended up with a 96 Master Light in AD4 (Black Art Decor). Mine's gaudy so I went with Chorus 11. Yours is classic.
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To answer a few comments:
-I have no plans to install a Portacatena. While interesting and unusual, I have other things to spend bike $$ on.
-I also lusted after (and still do) a Master, and there have been times over the past year where I *almost* pulled the trigger on one. For various reasons I held off. I posted this pic last year in the 'grail' thread. https://www.bikeforums.net/20168950-post265.html Who knows, maybe someday I'll get a Master, but for now I am more than satisfied with the Super.
-I don't think I'll become a Colnago snob. Actually, I think the opposite might happen, I might become a Colnago reject, for not restoring mine, leaving it in "beater" condition.
-Yeah, the Ironmans are waiting in the wings. I did get the red Expert tuned up enough to do the Clunker Challenge #5 , so that one is ready to roll. The yellow one gets put together as time allows.

Back to the Colnago
I decided not to use the Record brakes I had, as they are nutted type, and I didn't feel comfortable with the adapters I fabricated, so I bought some nutted type. They should be here in a few days.

I cleaned and repacked the bottom bracket. It felt very chunky and crusty when turning, so I was a bit nervous about what I was going to find when I took it apart. Fortunately it was in good condition, with just a small area of very, very small rust "pitting" in one of the cups. Not enough to cause me any great concern. Campagnolo grease was used, and now it feels so buttery smooth.







The plastic sleeve that was in there was original, but in extremely poor condition. So I trimmed it a bit, and fit it over a more modern Campagnolo sleeve, allowing for the old logo to show through the cut out in the bottom bracket.
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Thanks everyone, I'm stoked. I couldn't stand the wait, knowing that I had parts ready to go, so I got right on it. I removed the weird alloy Avocet headseet that was on it, looks like a Model III according to velobase. Anyway, I got the Campagnolo headset installed, and wow, that's how it's supposed to be!

Markings on steerer tube:



Pressing the fork crown race on. Took very little effort, fit on nicely.



Cutouts on the tabs on the fork:



Upper race and lower cup installed:



Yup, using genuine Campagnolo grease on the bearings.







Headset installed and adjusted. OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH YYYEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!



Put a few more parts on too. Starting to look like a real bike again.
Nice build. What type of press is that for the crown race? Homemade press ? Sorry for my ignorance.
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Portacatena ??... New one on me . Portacatena

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To answer a few comments:
-I have no plans to install a Portacatena. While interesting and unusual, I have other things to spend bike $$ on.

-I don't think I'll become a Colnago snob. Actually, I think the opposite might happen, I might become a Colnago reject, for not restoring mine, leaving it in "beater" condition.
Campagnolo released the portacatena in 1977, but it was being used before that time as evidenced by frames with the Campagnolo rear dropout pre-drilled for mounting one prior to '77. Your frame is probably one of the latest to have that type of dropout due to overall lack of enthusiasm for it; and it could be that older dropouts were being used by frame builders just to get rid of old stock. My 75 Super has that dropout pre-drilled though never used. Price isn't too bad if you really want one, but you loose a high gear due to need for space to mount it, and it does require a special shift lever and lever stop in order to avoid inadvertantly shifting onto it.
The Super was my first race bike and has all of nearly 45 years of battle scars to show for it; no snob here, but more a "purist" liking to keep all rides as painted (with a couple exceptions). People don't notice it with the simple decals and paint; everyone nowadays are used to seeing those "paint" jobs (my '86 Nuovo Mexico has a gold/black "snakeskin" pattern on it) begging to be drooled over.
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Colnago Super

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Beater/patina, eyes of the beholder. You are the right guy for the build. I'm in the leave it as it came camp unless it's too far gone.
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I'm glad to have played a small part in this story. I have developed an eye for spotting hi-lo hubs, having scored an '81 Benotto with one recently. Really glad this bike found a good home and is getting a proper build.
What is a Hi-Lo hub and why is it so coveted? Asks the cycling noob...
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What is a Hi-Lo hub and why is it so coveted? Asks the cycling noob...
VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo HiLo Rear Hub

The Retrogrouch: Hi-Lo Hubs
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What is a Hi-Lo hub and why is it so coveted? Asks the cycling noob...
A Campy RECORD hub type variant, with the earlier High (Hi) Flange on the drive side and the Low (Lo) flange on the left; thus "HiLo". For tensioning purposes (?); I don't think it matters. I'd rather have high flange hubs in the rear. They were made in limited quantities, thus more desirable, but it is not an indication of their function being superior to other hub designs at the time.
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What is a Hi-Lo hub and why is it so coveted? Asks the cycling noob...
We just go ga-ga for obscure oddities.
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I just think the HI-lo is interesting, unusual, a "finer detail" that would be noticed by enthusiasts. It's not like it's the focus of the whole bike.
In looking at the '82 Campagnolo catalog, it states that a hi-lo is only available with "English threading and 5 speed spacing only". I found this to be the case, as the spacing of the hub is 120, and the frame's spacing is 124. I don't like the way the stays flex when clamping the hub, so after much discussion with a trusted source, I am going with "Plan Z". Details to follow later in time.

The last couple weeks have been super busy with kids' school ending, lots of work, waiting on a couple parts, so not much has been done.
I decided to buy some acutal recessed bolt brake calipers, rather than adapting nutted brakes to work. I feel much better about that. And the set I bought came with the alunimum alloy brake pad holders (well, three anyway, and I'm working on getting the fourth), very nice.
The brake hoods I bought seem to be of good quality. We'll see how well they hold up. They are definitely not the same material as truly nos ones that I remember from long ago. They are very pliable, "stretchy", and were very, very easy to install. The fit and finish seems to be nice.
Slow progress, but it's coming together.





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It's easy to re-space a 120 hub to 126, unless that is already your Plan Z. Just need the longer axle and a wider spacer.
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Kids were upstairs reading, so I took a few minutes to wrap the handlebars. This is not the tape from the BOC, I'll use that for a 'final wrap' at a future date.

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Looks a lot like Newbaum's , my new favorite tape .
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I have two rolls of Newbaum's ready and waiting until after I get stem length and any other adjustments hammered out.

The stuff I used today was NOS Cat-Eye tape.
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Nice build. What type of press is that for the crown race? Homemade press ? Sorry for my ignorance.
Sorry it took a while to reply to this. It's just my 20 ton shop press and a few random tools I use for work: a bearing separator tool, a short 3/4" extension, and a long brass drift.

I had wanted to put a Super Record front derailleur on to match the rear derailleur, plus the front derailleur that was on there had a stripped out 'high' adjustment screw, so it needed to be replaced anyway.
I traded a few parts with Miguel @malcala622 for a SR FD he found at a bike swap meet, and we both benefitted from that trade. Thanks!


I also wanted to have a full set of aluminum brake pad holders. The set of brake calipers I bought had three. I had an NOS one, but of course it wasn't the side I needed. I placed a wanted ad in the classifieds here, and Hugh (Spaghetti Legs) happened to have the side I needed, and was needing the side I had. So again, a mutually beneficial trade. Thanks a lot!!!
For those who geek out on that kind of stuff: The aluminum pad holders were 10 grams lighter each compared to the chromed steel version, so 40g total for the set. That's just for the holder with the plastic covering, no hardware. The aluminum holders also use a shorter nut, and a different stud from the chromed steel holder, as well as an aluminum washer compared to a steel washer (respectively).





So today was the day.
I had ordered a different stem because the one I had was too long. Found a nice XA on the bay, listed as NOS (pretty sure it is), for a good price. Installed that.
I was wavering as to which way to go on the brake cable housings. Tried white (didn't look good), black ("it's drowning the frame in a black hole"), I was offered some clear, but held off on that. I had contemplated going with Campagnolo grey housings, but thought that would be too "boring". In my stash I had a section of yellow translucent housing. I thought it looked good, and really went well with the yellow borders of the decal lettering. Unfortunately I didn't have enough to do both brake cables. So I found something that looked a bit too bright clear yellow on the bay, hoping for the best. It arrived today too, and it is perfect. Installed the housing after a few adjustments and trims, installed the cables, adjusted the calipers. Set the seatpost at a good beginning spot (need to lower it just a little bit), adjusted the saddle, and that was that.
I took it over to the bicycle thrift store where Bill ( @wrk101 ) was working to show him. He seemed to like it, and pointed out something that I needed to take care of (which I did when I got home).
I took it for a 1 mile ride and wow, I really like it. Needs some fine tuning, but overall it's pretty dialed in. I can't wait to ride with cycling shoes - my sneakers didn't cut it. Really looking forward to putting some miles on this one!

The next step is to get some wheels built with the hi-lo rear and small flange Record hubs and some NOS Mavic GP4 rims.







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Nice build so far! IMO, NOS Cateye wrap trumps new Neuhaum any day of the week!

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I've got NOS Cateye on my Peugeot. Good stuff.

I really enjoy that color cable housing on that bike.

You've got yourself a sweet machine there!
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I put this down to 'another classic Colnago saved'. I can imagine that first mile in the saddle and I was confident it would get a - WOW.

I get a little 'tired' of hearing how too flamboyant Colnago's are; sure they can be flamboyant but they can also be subdued like your fine Colnago hazetguy. A little flourish with the cable outers is just enough. I have always liked Cateye bar tape too.

Who knows where this build will end-up in the future but, for now, this Colnago probably rides just as good as the very first day it was ridden back when. I love it and thanks for sharing your build process with me.
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