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Old 06-15-19, 05:42 PM
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have been thimking for some time that the forum should bestow upon him a title such as Professor/Professeur/Professore...


...AHA! I've got it...DCI


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Old 06-15-19, 06:28 PM
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DCI MauriceMoss.....sounds good
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Hello guys,


Thank you all for your time and efforts invested in this thread!

The past week has been full of work for me, therefore I didn't have much time for investigating and so on. Still, I contacted a page on Facebook - "Velo Liberia Grenoble" and after explaining everything, they too offered an ID ->> Liberia Gran Luxe.
I could not find information about this model yet but I'll continue in doing so and see how can I match it with mine.
If anybody has details about this model or any links, I would forever be grateful.

Regarding the frame and fork restoration, I'll start searching for some paint shops.
The right thing to do here is to get rid of the old paint, treat the steel and repaint it, correct? I would love to keep the old paint but given the rust in some places, I guess that's not a good ideea.

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Old 06-18-19, 09:59 AM
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Normally I would say leave it alone but the rust blisters under the paint make me lean toward repaint. The scrapes and abrasions just add to the justification. It is a very personal thing. I would do what you want to do and not take too much stock in what others have to say. Just consider their arguments one way or the other to make your decision.

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Here is a post I did a while back with links to online material on Liberia. It comes from a thread I started a while back on my introduction to the brand, a c.1972 Liberia that may be a Grand Luxe variant that was originally sold out of a bike shop in Columbia SC. I have been very pleased with mine, and it is exhibit A for the statement, "The French have a way with gaspipe." I suspect it is built with what later became Liberia 102 (unlike Carbolite 103, which was purely a Peugeot product made in house), and on a metric-gauged frame with a 28.0 mm seat tube exterior it takes a 25.8 mm seatpost, so a whisker over 1 mm-thick tube walls isn't too shabby for what was sold originally as a campus bike in the early 70s.

Liberia isn't seen too often in the U.S. because they apparently were doing well enough selling bikes in the Grenoble region. The majority of them I see appear to be in the Southeastern U.S. and date from the great bike boom, when distributors were combing Europe looking for product to sell.
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Originally Posted by rustystrings61 View Post
Here is a post I did a while back with links to online material on Liberia. It comes from a thread I started a while back on my introduction to the brand, a c.1972 Liberia that may be a Grand Luxe variant that was originally sold out of a bike shop in Columbia SC. I have been very pleased with mine, and it is exhibit A for the statement, "The French have a way with gaspipe." I suspect it is built with what later became Liberia 102 (unlike Carbolite 103, which was purely a Peugeot product made in house), and on a metric-gauged frame with a 28.0 mm seat tube exterior it takes a 25.8 mm seatpost, so a whisker over 1 mm-thick tube walls isn't too shabby for what was sold originally as a campus bike in the early 70s.

Liberia isn't seen too often in the U.S. because they apparently were doing well enough selling bikes in the Grenoble region. The majority of them I see appear to be in the Southeastern U.S. and date from the great bike boom, when distributors were combing Europe looking for product to sell.
Thank you! It is full of Liberia history and information.
I started searching for Liberia and was aware of your post since Maurice shared his knowledge.
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Even though there is a good chance for the frame to be Liberia made, I don't want to come off as disrespectful or anything and I'm still searching for other producers. Somebody suggested this frame may be a France-Loire.

On this note, I removed the BB cable guide (looks made from aluminium) and discovered there is a star shape stamp. Does this mean something?
Don't know if there are some other stamps under the paint. I decided to treat and remove the old paint and then, I'll inspect the frame more carefully, searching for clues.


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Old 06-29-19, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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I suddenly have an urge to get a pipe. And a hat. Maybe a mustache is in order, too.
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Originally Posted by Silvestru View Post
Even though there is a good chance for the frame to be Liberia made, I don't want to come off as disrespectful or anything and I'm still searching for other producers. Somebody suggested this frame may be a France-Loire.
I don't think that continuing the search is disrespectful at all. You should always look for the most evidence you can get to support a theory.
When it comes to frame IDs, in most cases, the best one can hope for is to be able to say that the features of a mystery frame are consistent with this manufacturer or that artisan. Or, if you're non-committal, that features aren't inconsistent with a certain known marque.

As for the suggestion that this is a Cycles France-Loire; it could be. Did the person who made that suggestion provide more conclusive supporting evidence? If so, it'd be great if you could post here, for future reference.

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I suddenly have an urge to get a pipe. And a hat. Maybe a mustache is in order, too.
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...and lettuce not forget the knitted tie and eccentric vintage automobile...

...perhaps a Bristol would be in order for DCI Maurice...


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Old 07-01-19, 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MauriceMoss View Post
I don't think that continuing the search is disrespectful at all. You should always look for the most evidence you can get to support a theory.
When it comes to frame IDs, in most cases, the best one can hope for is to be able to say that the features of a mystery frame are consistent with this manufacturer or that artisan. Or, if you're non-committal, that features aren't inconsistent with a certain known marque.

As for the suggestion that this is a Cycles France-Loire; it could be. Did the person who made that suggestion provide more conclusive supporting evidence? If so, it'd be great if you could post here, for future reference.
I registered on Tonton Velo forum and began chatting with the folks there. Here is the link to the thread: https://forum.tontonvelo.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=40762

People suggested a possible France Loire ID because of the colour, equipment and also the whistles of stay cables.
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It's a Liberia

As per Mssr @MauriceMoss post:

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a Liberia...

Case closed!

We sold entry level and a few mid range Liberia bikes back in 1975-77. They rode nicely for what they were.

There were a number of large French bicycle manufacturers like Manufrance and Starnord that contract built lower priced bikes for other bike manufactures and also large bike shops throughout France. Buy enough bikes and they would put any name you wanted on them.

The swagged seat stay caps combined with the Vitus dropouts, lugs, and fork crown matches the photos of Liberia frames posted by @MauriceMoss.

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Originally Posted by trailangel View Post
Some kind of late 80's Peugeot? resprayed frame not top of the line? but looks like nice frame.
I was going to say Peug too, until we got to the rear dropouts. Totally wrong. Definitely French, though... Gitane maybe?
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