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Old 11-28-12, 01:47 PM
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Hey man, I don't make Sugino's cranks.
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Old 11-28-12, 02:07 PM
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I'm going to a local machine shop and having one of these made.





Then everything I own will be NJS.
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Old 11-28-12, 05:19 PM
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The NJS logo is not a designation of quality or craftsmanship, but rather a designation of compliance to an arbitrary set of standards required for keirin racing. It is meaningless unless you are a professional keirin racer.
you realize they Bet on Keirin Racing in Japan, don't you? the certification is
about equalizing the hardware and so the race is Between the riders.

Horse and Jockey in one.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirin Professional cycling (競輪 keirin[SUP]?[/SUP]) began as a betting sport in Japan in 1948,
Nihon Jitensha Shinkōkai (NJS; also known in English as the Japanese Keirin Association) was founded to establish a uniform system of standards for the sport in Japan. Today keirin racing is regulated by the JKA Foundation.
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Old 11-28-12, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
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you basically said what you quoted.
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Old 11-28-12, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 8bits View Post
Oh please tell me why I bought my crankset, this should be good. Keep in mind I use them on my track bike and omniums on my street bike.
I don't feel like making up a story. But when I think of most "bang for the buck", Campy doesn't come to mind. To each his/her own.
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Old 11-28-12, 07:48 PM
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When I hear campy I think "Just as good as everything else but a lot more expensive"
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Old 11-28-12, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
you realize they Bet on Keirin Racing in Japan, don't you? The certification is about equalizing the hardware and so the race is Between the riders.
Yup. That's why I wrote what I wrote.

Nihon Jitensha Shinkōkai (NJS; also known in English as the Japanese Keirin Association) was founded to establish a uniform system of standards for the sport in Japan. Today keirin racing is regulated by the "JKA_Foundation".
And before NJS, keirin was regulated by "BIA" so you still sometimes find Japanese track components with a "BIA" stamp:

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Old 11-29-12, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 8bits View Post
Oh please tell me why I bought my crankset, this should be good. Keep in mind I use them on my track bike and omniums on my street bike.
Should be the other way around. Omniums are a lot stiffer than Campy Record Pistas.
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Old 11-29-12, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Scrodzilla View Post
Should be the other way around. Omniums are a lot stiffer than Campy Record Pistas.
Indeed but then again they are not a pita with so many issues as the omniums. That's why record pistas are the best bet right now, not much more money than omniums and very high quality.
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Old 11-29-12, 08:12 AM
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When I hear campy I think "Not quite as good as everything else but a lot more expensive"
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Old 11-29-12, 10:27 AM
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arguing about campagnolo/shimano/sram even more for road use:

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Old 11-29-12, 10:53 AM
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Whatever, Sugino 75s (NJS or otherwise) win without argument.
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Old 11-29-12, 12:28 PM
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If you ask me, NJS is fairly silly. Go for what works best. Sometimes it will be something that's NJS stamped, but not because of it being NJS stamped.
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Old 11-30-12, 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
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What shortcomings have your found using Campagnolo cranks? I ask because I have used and use them on road and fixed gear bikes and have not been able to flex them, nor have they had any mechanical issues. They have a low q and decent weight too.
I'm wondering what more you could ask of them, if your experiences are similar to mine.
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Old 11-30-12, 02:11 AM
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Campy cranks aren't NJS, which is their major drawback.
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Old 11-30-12, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 8bits View Post
arguing about campagnolo/shimano/sram even more for road use:

Microshift ftw.
lol jk Sram fanboy here.
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Old 12-03-12, 08:31 PM
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I have Campy on one bike, DA on another and Sugino Grand Mighty on yet another. They are all damn fine cranks. My knockabout has Miche. I personally can't tell any of them apart in terms of perceived performance. Ride what you like.
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Old 12-03-12, 08:35 PM
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I have been really happy with my miche crank. The only reason I want DA is for 167.5 which I don;t think Sugino or Campy offer (I believe they just go to 170. If I am wrong, link me!)
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Old 12-03-12, 09:46 PM
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basically
njs = the best
non njs = why bother?
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njs = the best
non njs = why bother?
Hahaha. No.

NJS is basically the same as restrictor plate racing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictor_plate

The whole purpose of NJS is to make sure that no racer has any advantage due to equipment. Period. This is why they can't use clipless pedals or carbon fiber.
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Old 12-03-12, 10:10 PM
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Hahaha. No.

NJS is basically the same as restrictor plate racing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictor_plate

The whole purpose of NJS is to make sure that no racer has any advantage due to equipment. Period. This is why they can't use clipless pedals or carbon fiber.
They can't even use wheels that aren't 36 spoke for pete's sake!
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I really don't give two hoots about njs.
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What shortcomings have your found using Campagnolo cranks? I ask because I have used and use them on road and fixed gear bikes and have not been able to flex them, nor have they had any mechanical issues. They have a low q and decent weight too.
I'm wondering what more you could ask of them, if your experiences are similar to mine.
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Used to have SRAM s300 crankset on GTB.

Now i have DA 7710.

Guess what... I'm not any closer to winning any races.

/foreverslow
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Originally Posted by Muffin Man View Post
Microshift ftw.
I heard it's not half bad in all seriousness. I'm actually considering it for my soon to be chinaconbon everythang commoadie.
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