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Old 05-27-19, 06:11 PM
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That's amazing.

For those that aren't familiar, it was mentioned in the video that 4:30 would have won silver at US Elite Nationals after Ashton Lambie's 4:27.497. That's 2.503" faster. Gaimon lost that much and more with the wobbly line he had.

Gaimon hasn't ridden a track bike in 11 years...and set a pace for 4:30 and hit it on the nose (what if he paced for faster?). It's safe to say that Gaimon is already on the Long Team and a strong candidate to make the 5-man roster.

Now they have to go score points to qualify for the Olympics. They may be a day late and a dollar short.

I've always said that the best trackies are lost to the road.

I hope he's current on his WADA Biological Passport. I'm not exactly sure how it works, but doesn't he have to declare his eligibility like a year (or more) before any event that he plans to race so he can be on the testing schedule for that year and going forward?

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Well technically he rode a track bike a couple months ago...

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I hope he's current on his WADA Biological Passport. I'm not exactly sure how it works, but doesn't he have to declare his eligibility like a year (or more) before any event that he plans to race so he can be on the testing schedule for that year and going forward?
He's mentioned a few times on Twitter that he still gets tested, so I assume he is.
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pretty impressive, but sort of makes sense too.

He has had some experience with track in the past. He's mentioned a few times that since "retirement" he's actually gotten quite a bit stronger on shorter / punchier climbs. (Which again, makes sense when you don't need to kill yourself daily) quite a few years of big base to pull from as well.

It's not "that hard" to take a guy with big power and make him ~ .2 cda. Once you nail the w/cda, it's just getting down the technical / going full nerd on the aero gains, and then putting in the specific training. If he's doing 4:30 on a "lark" he's not too far off.
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pretty impressive, but sort of makes sense too.

He has had some experience with track in the past. He's mentioned a few times that since "retirement" he's actually gotten quite a bit stronger on shorter / punchier climbs. (Which again, makes sense when you don't need to kill yourself daily) quite a few years of big base to pull from as well.

It's not "that hard" to take a guy with big power and make him ~ .2 cda. Once you nail the w/cda, it's just getting down the technical / going full nerd on the aero gains, and then putting in the specific training. If he's doing 4:30 on a "lark" he's not too far off.
Yeah, his story isn't unique among pro (and recently retired pro) roadies.

This is why I think it's an untapped resource.

I've told this story a few times before, but, the guy who won the US Elite Nationals Points race back-to-back 2010 and 2011, lapping the field (which included Olympians) both years, was a low-tier former pro roadie. Coincidental/Lucky lightning doesn't strike the same place twice. That was strength and skill.

I think he was team manager of the development squad or something (not sure on how all that works) for Team Type 1 (now Novo Nordisk). Dan Holt.

He was local to DLV and spoke with him. He was 100% gung-ho to represent the US in international competition (World Cups, Pan Ams, etc...), but it's my understanding that they passed on him in favor of other riders.

So, I know it's costly to scour the country for untapped talent like British Cycling did before their rise to prominence by taking ergos to schools and testing kids and whatnot. But, geez, you got thousands of roadies with billions of miles in their legs to pick from. Pick some, pay them, groom them, profit.

I know the top guys won't bite (Phinney was supposed to be the next great track champion for the ages, but passed to race road), but there are guys and ladies slugging it out being domestiques hauling water bottles up hills for minimum wage when they could actually be Olympic caliber trackies. Get them on board.

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Sadly it seems since Project 96 that US interest in track (at least at a high level) has fallen off, at least for men. I wonder if Phinney would trade his Polkadot jersey from the tour for an Olympic medal on the track? I doubt it. The dream of something like Roubaix seems to eclipse everything else, no matter how unlikely.

I'm not sure about other countries, but here for a domestique to swap to track, they'd probably be taking a big pay cut (not saying they are getting fat paid as is) and most can't afford to do that.
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Good analysis Morelock, a lot of past conditioning to live off while building speed. Phil has shown a nerdy side, see some of his climbing bike weight weenie videos. So I'm sure going Aero geek should come naturally.

This may help the Track program in spite of itself. Phil has a pretty broad audience that is anything but Track centered and is totally independent (so USA Cycling can't mismanage it lol). Might be something to build on.
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Originally Posted by Morelock View Post
Sadly it seems since Project 96 that US interest in track (at least at a high level) has fallen off, at least for men. I wonder if Phinney would trade his Polkadot jersey from the tour for an Olympic medal on the track? I doubt it. The dream of something like Roubaix seems to eclipse everything else, no matter how unlikely.

I'm not sure about other countries, but here for a domestique to swap to track, they'd probably be taking a big pay cut (not saying they are getting fat paid as is) and most can't afford to do that.
You make good points.

I wonder if Phinney would trade his Polkadot jersey from the tour for an Olympic medal on the track? I doubt it.

Maybe not for one medal, but recall that Phinney was the Enduro that hung with the Sprinters in the Kilo:


The day after winning the 4k pursuit, Taylor Phinney wins gold in the 1k and sets another new American record.


A day after setting a new American record and winning gold in the individual 4 kilometer pursuit, Taylor Phinney set another American record on his way to winning the 1K time trial. Phinney's time of 1:01.641 was a split second faster than the previous U.S. record of 1:01.825, set by Erin Hartwell, in Colorado Springs, Colorado in 1995. The world record of 58.875 was set by Arnaud Tournant in La Paz, Bolivia in 2001.
https://www.velonews.com/2009/02/tra...n-record_87736

2009:


2010:



If Hoy enjoyed 6 Olympic Gold medals and one Silver, how many might Phinney (the prodigious child of 2 Olympians) have won across endurance (mass start, Omnium, IP, TP) and sprint events (kilo, keirin)?


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Good points, but you also have to think spending 4 years at a time trying to peak for one event is a hard thing to do mentally. Also, for Phinney, personal glory definitely wouldn't be near guaranteed with no IP (or Kilo) in 12/16 games. His best bet would have probably been TP, but that's putting a lot of faith in finding 3 other prodigies. Keirin possibly with the right focus, but both it and even more the omnium require a healthy dose of luck as well as skill.

Hoy was obviously brilliant (as well as Kenny) but when we compare the two we really just go right back to the culture surrounding the athlete. Big difference from 2008+(04 really) in GB and the USA. My guess is Phinney likely would have been lucky to medal. Not to say that his road career has been easy either.

*speaking just in terms of Olympic medals. If you count WC / big events, it's almost a sure thing Phinney would have been VERY highly decorated.
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https://velobike.squarespace.com/wahoo-adapter

Saw this today browsing the net. I know a few people had discussed it and seen a few in the wild a while back under some nat team riders, seems like it's going into a sort of production.
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https://velobike.squarespace.com/wahoo-adapter

Saw this today browsing the net. I know a few people had discussed it and seen a few in the wild a while back under some nat team riders, seems like it's going into a sort of production.
Wondering if it's compatible with any other freehub fit... would love having one of these for my Elite Drivo...
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Wondering if it's compatible with any other freehub fit... would love having one of these for my Elite Drivo...
Hey Guys, Glenn here from Velobike.co.nz. Yep, we are developing a fixed gear adapter for Wahoo Kickr smart trainers. These are specific for wahoo. Each brand of direct drive trainer has slightly different dimensions and limitations that require the adaptor to be designed around. That being said, we are developing another adaptor that may be suitable with the Elite Drivo - we will require to test it first.

The Wahoo Kickr fixed gear adaptors will be available to purchase shortly. Please use the contact form to reserve one.
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Hey Guys, Glenn here from Velobike.co.nz. Yep, we are developing a fixed gear adapter for Wahoo Kickr smart trainers. These are specific for wahoo. Each brand of direct drive trainer has slightly different dimensions and limitations that require the adaptor to be designed around. That being said, we are developing another adaptor that may be suitable with the Elite Drivo - we will require to test it first.

The Wahoo Kickr fixed gear adaptors will be available to purchase shortly. Please use the contact form to reserve one.
This is wonderful!

Any chance you can post pics or a video of a Kickr with your mod with a bike?
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This is wonderful!

Any chance you can post pics or a video of a Kickr with your mod with a bike?
Yeah, sure. We will have a set of detailed instructions available on product release.
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DRILLIUM IS BACK BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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DRILLIUM IS BACK BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

US $178.60 | Kalosse Hot selling 700*23C Fixed gear bicycle 32 Holes 70mm rims 700C 4 bearings hub fixed gear bike wheels
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/R5h5zmC
That link seems to be busted.
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Fixed. Don't know why I didn't do it this way the first time.
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I'm generally positive to lukewarm on no-name parts from China, but that is downright scary.
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I'm generally positive to lukewarm on no-name parts from China, but that is downright scary.
Same here. I'm just wondering how long it will be until we hear of some fixie hipster showing up to a track with these.
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Wow. Those are terrifying.
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At least you shouldn't have to worry about losing any nipples inside the rim
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yessssss!
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This is my guess on new Koga track frame geometry

BB drop - 55mm
Seattube - 560mm 75degree
Toptube - 620mm
Headtube - 140mm 75degree
Fork offset - 45mm
Stem - 180mm
Stack - 540mm
Reach - 480mm



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Very nice!
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As I see it (and I hate the hanblebar/stem solution - too parallel to floor, no thin, etc.)
Not sure it will be better than the good old champion model.
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