Change to long cage derailleur - recommendation?
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Change to long cage derailleur - recommendation?
I have a Tricross Sport (https://www.specialized.com/us/en/tr...t-disc/p/49858). It has 9 speed Sora on it. The cassette is a 11-30. I have been using it for gravel and there are times I have found myself wanting a lower gear. I'd like to go with a 11-34 or even a 11-40 but the derailleur says it has a maximum of 11-32. I don't mind changing out the derailleur for something different so long as it will work with my shifters. Any recommendations?
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You may be able to make it work with the current RD. Otherwise any Shimano compatible 9 speed one, "mountain" will work. For example, Shimano Deore M591. I run Sora 3500 shifters with the M591 rear derailleur. Some people say they had a good experience with Microshift.
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Really? I thought the cable pull was different. Is that only on 10 and 11 speed? If that's the case that will make things a lot simpler for me.
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I have a Tricross Sport (https://www.specialized.com/us/en/tr...t-disc/p/49858). It has 9 speed Sora on it. The cassette is a 11-30. I have been using it for gravel and there are times I have found myself wanting a lower gear. I'd like to go with a 11-34 or even a 11-40 but the derailleur says it has a maximum of 11-32. I don't mind changing out the derailleur for something different so long as it will work with my shifters. Any recommendations?
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I am using a Deore rear derailleur with an 11/32 cassette and Tiagra 4400 9 speed brifters and front derailleur and crankset, 48/34. Shifts great.
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I have a Tricross Sport (https://www.specialized.com/us/en/tr...t-disc/p/49858). It has 9 speed Sora on it. The cassette is a 11-30. I have been using it for gravel and there are times I have found myself wanting a lower gear. I'd like to go with a 11-34 or even a 11-40 but the derailleur says it has a maximum of 11-32. I don't mind changing out the derailleur for something different so long as it will work with my shifters. Any recommendations?
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So anything Shimano (road/MTB) up to 9 speed has the same pull ratio, as well as the "old" road 10s (up to and including Tiagra 4600 series or 105 5700 series -- but those will not have SGS cage, only GS). I also ran 105 5701 RD with the mentioned 3500 Sora shifter, and it worked great.
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I used a 12-36 with the long cage 3500 RD with the B screw all the way in, it was right at the limit though. I swapped to an XT (Edit) M772 SGS, which with hours of adjusting, a new cable and a new hanger works well but is only slightly better. From all the feedback I received here the Deore M591 would have been the better choice.
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I used a 12-36 with the long cage 3500 RD with the B screw all the way in, it was right at the limit though. I swapped to an XT M592 SGS, which with hours of adjusting, a new cable and a new hanger works well but is only slightly better. From all the feedback I received here the Deore M591 would have been the better choice.
Here is my limit screw with a Sora 3500 and 34T
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I think you experienced the same issue I had with Deore M591, M592 and M772 and Sora 3500 shifters. The dérailleur would shift up, but would skip a cog shifting down. I spent a lot of time working on this, including having a shop try and another home mechanic, but we couldn't get it perfect. I gave up and used the mid cage Sora 3500. Ironically, a 90's Deore LX M560 also worked nicely with Sora 3500 shifters.
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One caveat: I had to do surgery on my derailer hanger to make the RoadLink work. The Cannondale hanger just didn’t mate to the link. It was easy to file and took about 15 minutes to modify. Additionally, I had to do it twice because I attempted to bend it a little. Don’t do that. It breaks much more readily than a regular hanger.
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I think you experienced the same issue I had with Deore M591, M592 and M772 and Sora 3500 shifters. The dérailleur would shift up, but would skip a cog shifting down. I spent a lot of time working on this, including having a shop try and another home mechanic, but we couldn't get it perfect. I gave up and used the mid cage Sora 3500. Ironically, a 90's Deore LX M560 also worked nicely with Sora 3500 shifters.
Here is my limit screw with a Sora 3500 and 34T
Here is my limit screw with a Sora 3500 and 34T
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Is that something specific with the Sora 3500? I have a 592 on a 10 speed Tiagra and swap wheel sets between with a 12-36, 11-34, and an 11-32. Been crisp and clear since day 1. I also have a 591 on an 8 speed on a 12-34 with a shimano pull ratio SRAM grip shift that is great..
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I think you experienced the same issue I had with Deore M591, M592 and M772 and Sora 3500 shifters. The dérailleur would shift up, but would skip a cog shifting down. I spent a lot of time working on this, including having a shop try and another home mechanic, but we couldn't get it perfect. I gave up and used the mid cage Sora 3500. Ironically, a 90's Deore LX M560 also worked nicely with Sora 3500 shifters.
Doh! Im an idiot. I mean i swapped to an M772 RD not an M592 - but yes - your adjustment woes were the same as mine - very very finicky - finally made it work but it could still be better and not worth the hassle.If I hadn't cut the housing for the shadow I would have swapped back. I'll edit my previous post. Glad you found an easy solution. Im not experienced with many different group sets, but that old Sora stuff really works well for gravel bikes
I have not tried Microshift, but many people respected here said good words about it: https://www.bikeforums.net/20618847-post4.html Also, I remember nfmisso giving very positive feedback on it.
Maybe we should try it. Marvo M46 https://www.microshift.com/en/product/rd-m46l-rd-m46s/ is <25$, M26 https://www.microshift.com/en/product/rd-m26l-rd-m26s/ (super basic model) is <15$.
Having said that, the OP has 50/34 (16t difference) crankset, adding some 11-34 cassette (23t difference) gives a total of 39t chain wrap. That should be within the range of the medium cage RD.
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I have no issues with 3500 Sora shifters and the 3500 derailleur or the Deore LX M560 (7 Speed) derailleur. The cage on these two derailleurs are about the same so just use the 3500 derailleur if possible. The derailleurs I tried were just the ones I had available, or could borrow, to try.
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For the record, lubing the chain was one of the first things I did. This was done a few times of the course of working on it, but could still not get it to shift as nice as it does with the 3500 derailleur.
I have no issues with 3500 Sora shifters and the 3500 derailleur or the Deore LX M560 (7 Speed) derailleur. The cage on these two derailleurs are about the same so just use the 3500 derailleur if possible. The derailleurs I tried were just the ones I had available, or could borrow, to try.
I have no issues with 3500 Sora shifters and the 3500 derailleur or the Deore LX M560 (7 Speed) derailleur. The cage on these two derailleurs are about the same so just use the 3500 derailleur if possible. The derailleurs I tried were just the ones I had available, or could borrow, to try.
Other components: Deore M590 crankset, 48/36/22; Shimano HG50 11-30 9s cassette; Campagnolo Record C9 chain with SRAM Gold Powerlink.
Off topic: katsup , I have just noticed that you have a Fog Cutter brother of my Double Cross.
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Should work if Sora is medium cage
I put a Shimano Alivio CS-HG400 9-Speed 11-36t Cassette on my bike with Tiagra road shifters, and a Shimano Sora RD-R3000-GS 9-Speed Medium Cage Rear Derailleur to replace original short cage 105. It shifts onto the 36t just fine with bike on work-stand. Can't wait to try it out when Spring arrives! B- screw is nowhere near maxed out, so it might even work on a 40t.
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Ever since I bought a used Jamis Aurora Elite (3x9 50/39/30 crank and 11-34 cassette) touring bike last spring I've been struggling to get shifting right. New chain, cassette, RD, crankset, BB, cables/housing - still doesn't shift perfect in the back. Tried an M771, M772, and M592 RD even, the M592 has been the best but I still can't shift into cassette 8, I just skip past it into 9 (largest).
Might have to try that microshift RD, don't have much to lose!
Might have to try that microshift RD, don't have much to lose!
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Ever since I bought a used Jamis Aurora Elite (3x9 50/39/30 crank and 11-34 cassette) touring bike last spring I've been struggling to get shifting right. New chain, cassette, RD, crankset, BB, cables/housing - still doesn't shift perfect in the back. Tried an M771, M772, and M592 RD even, the M592 has been the best but I still can't shift into cassette 8, I just skip past it into 9 (largest).
Might have to try that microshift RD, don't have much to lose!
Might have to try that microshift RD, don't have much to lose!
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I have a medium cage tiagra on my bike. Shimano says it will max out at 34. I wanted lower gearing di I got a 11-36 cassette and it works fine. Shimano from my understanding is usually pretty conservative with there specs. I would get the cassette and try it out.
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A 36t large cog will be a very noticeable reduction in gearing over the 30t you have now. I would get a cassette with a 36t and see if you can make it work with what you have. Possibly a longer b-screw will work.
If it does not work out, there are plenty of 9 speed MTB RDs out there that will have no issues with a 36t cog.
For me, an 11-40 9sp cassette would have larger gaps than I would like for road/gravel use. For MTB it would be fantastic (and I always wanted such a thing back when I was running 9 speed on my mtbs).
If it does not work out, there are plenty of 9 speed MTB RDs out there that will have no issues with a 36t cog.
For me, an 11-40 9sp cassette would have larger gaps than I would like for road/gravel use. For MTB it would be fantastic (and I always wanted such a thing back when I was running 9 speed on my mtbs).