Schwinn Paramount vs Trek Domane
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"Its time" wasn't that long ago. It was built in 2013 on a custom frame with mint parts. I suspect a lot of people here are riding "modern" bikes that are older.
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60 years of difference, not that much of a change = IMHO…..
……for 60 years of ‘progress’.
……for 60 years of ‘progress’.
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Hidden manufacturing flaws exist in any modern product, so don't think that a carbon bike frame can last a lifetime. Maybe exception made of the Trek OCLV which was the most bulletproof carbon frame in America ever built, I don't know which one could compete with it maybe the Colnago C35 and C40 riden by the Mapei and Rabobank teams back then.
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He is one of many sophist, pseudo-intellectual trolls who continue to tarnish what should be a fun, inviting place. They all seem to love to act on some inner compulsion to right perceived wrongs, stroking their own imaginary capacity for reason, but what is really happening is that they are on a continuous search to prove their capacity, not to others, but to themselves, which they never accomplish because they just aren't that good at it. Boils down to insecurity. There is really no other reason to enter a hobby/recreation web forum and act the way they do. It is completely anti-social.
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I'm not familiar with the brand, other than it's Italian. I apologize for my assumption that it is an older bike. Knowing that, it appears to be a high-quality steel race frame built with the style and methods perfected decades ago.
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hahaha - given the extensive 'history' of making frames in Taiwan, I submit = there may be a Little Italy somewhere on the island.
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I thought RC were made in Italy, but cannot find a corroborating statement on the website, tho' a cursory look.
hahaha - given the extensive 'history' of making frames in Taiwan, I submit = there may be a Little Italy somewhere on the island.
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hahaha - given the extensive 'history' of making frames in Taiwan, I submit = there may be a Little Italy somewhere on the island.
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Domane? Or chrome '66 Paramount? Commonplace versus pretty rare? .... just sayin
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I have no idea, and I'm not going to spend time creating that list. The number doesn't really matter. CF frames can be repaired, and there are companies that exist who specialize in that work.
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Almost any cracks or splits or fractures or whatever can be repaired on carbon fiber frames. The problem I find is that most of the safest repairs include building up extra layers of CF around the problem area, creating something of a "bandage" on the frame that will always stand out compared to how it looked originally. I've seen many repaired carbon frames both on the road and being sold online, and I'm sure in many cases the area that broke is probably safer than it ever was when first out of the mold, but it's still often noticeable despite skilled repair efforts.
On the flip side, I know guys who've had $4-5k CF framesets develop little fractures around areas like the bottom bracket that were covered under warranty. It was easier for the manufacturer to send an entirely new frame rather than bother with repairing the old one. I feel like it would be much more economical and easier to completely hide the fact that such a repair had to take place on a steel frame.
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On the flip side, I know guys who've had $4-5k CF framesets develop little fractures around areas like the bottom bracket that were covered under warranty. It was easier for the manufacturer to send an entirely new frame rather than bother with repairing the old one. I feel like it would be much more economical and easier to completely hide the fact that such a repair had to take place on a steel frame.
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Best not to even acknowledge this guy, iab. He is one of many sophist, pseudo-intellectual trolls who continue to tarnish what should be a fun, inviting place. They all seem to love to act on some inner compulsion to right perceived wrongs, stroking their own imaginary capacity for reason, but what is really happening is that they are on a continuous search to prove their capacity, not to others, but to themselves, which they never accomplish because they just aren't that good at it. Boils down to insecurity. There is really no other reason to enter a hobby/recreation web forum and act the way they do. It is completely anti-social. The saddest thing is that they continuously get away with insults to others.
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Would it be accurate to characterize them as "bikes made in the style of vintage racing bikes"?
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Wildwood is right, more pics.
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The description above could apply to some pretty inexpensive bikes that just look like racing bikes.
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I think it’s pretty remarkable that my posting about weighing a vintage and a modern bike generated 100 post. It was just surprising, to me, that the Trek was not considerably lighter compared to the Paramount.
Keep the rubber side down. Carbon, Aluminum , or Steel.
Keep the rubber side down. Carbon, Aluminum , or Steel.
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I had a steel frame/fork build in 1999 that was 16.5lbs and was scratching my head over the weight of a new carbon bike that weighed several lbs more at twice the price. But then I realized 10sp with ti cogs didn't weight as much as a light 12sp cassette. Looking at weights, the older 10sp carbon record bits are every bit as light as their new stuff, and those record levers are still lighter than shimano sti levers. The stopping power, or lack of, of the cane creek brs200 single pivot brakes with ti bits was a scary sight to behold but they weighted nothing. Modern carbon rims can be light but the mavic reflex was really might. Newer parts are built bigger for stiffness but includes weight penalties.
In affirmation of that statement, I'll be building this up later this summer with some record. Nothing like Italian beauty.
In affirmation of that statement, I'll be building this up later this summer with some record. Nothing like Italian beauty.
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There are vintage steel bikes that excite me. This specific example is not one of them. Admittedly, a large part of it is how the bike is set up. I understand that some folks might feel differently.
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This is one of 7 Paramount's I own and it is as it came to me albeit cleaned up and adjusted a bit, way too small and has now been stripped down to bare metal to be painted and built up for a good friend, so.....
I only posted this pic as more pics had been asked for since few had been posted here.
I would encourage you to practice a bit more decorum, we typically say "not my cup of tea" or some such, I don't really care one way or another but this thread has already been a little contentious in spots and we can do better.
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When I see this handsome machine, I suddenly feel very, very short.
Recovering (slightly) from that, I contemplate its pump. Now that really is extraordinary. Was it custom made?
Tomorrow I'll go for a ride, with a friend who'll be on one or other of two bikes that have, I think, CF frames. One has Di2 and 22 gears, the other has disc brakes and a mere 20. I'll be on a bike with friction-shifted 3×5. The contrast between his bike and mine hasn't yet brought about any problem that I've noticed.
Recovering (slightly) from that, I contemplate its pump. Now that really is extraordinary. Was it custom made?
Tomorrow I'll go for a ride, with a friend who'll be on one or other of two bikes that have, I think, CF frames. One has Di2 and 22 gears, the other has disc brakes and a mere 20. I'll be on a bike with friction-shifted 3×5. The contrast between his bike and mine hasn't yet brought about any problem that I've noticed.
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