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07-14-16, 02:00 PM
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07-14-16, 02:21 PM
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Cycling once again makes itself look completely amateurish. I was reading some of what cyclocosm was tweeting, either the stage counts or it doesn't. Let the results stand or nullify completely, they really shouldn't be looking at the stage and deciding when and where to make things count or not, too much room for bias in that.
07-14-16, 03:31 PM
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It's not that simple. What about the splits? You have Dimension Data, but that's not official. You have moto splits that are, but how accurate are they at that moment? Because if Yates' incident they had to be somewhat consistent, but I don't like the precedent it sets. Too many opportunities to manipulate the results.
07-14-16, 03:46 PM
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I agree, bad precedent. Too many riders have had bad luck in the past and not had the results changed to neutralize it. Some of them due to spectators or moto drivers.
The message that I get from today's drama, including the leaders' crash and also the Sky domestique crashes and subsequent MJ neutralization of the peloton is that the Brahmins of this sport really want Sky to remain the Empire. Maybe I am not seeing the whole story, and probably have a skewed opinion on it anyway, but it *feels* a lot like Postal.
The message that I get from today's drama, including the leaders' crash and also the Sky domestique crashes and subsequent MJ neutralization of the peloton is that the Brahmins of this sport really want Sky to remain the Empire. Maybe I am not seeing the whole story, and probably have a skewed opinion on it anyway, but it *feels* a lot like Postal.
07-14-16, 03:46 PM
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they fixed it. right call. the race would lose credibility if yellow is won or lost based on the organizers unable to provide a road on which to race bikes.
07-14-16, 03:59 PM
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Considering that the original call was to leave the results as they were at the line, there must have been some sort of vehement protest. I think it was quite some time before the results were amended, and certain media outlets had to change headlines.
07-14-16, 04:11 PM
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Bauke Mollema Verified account @BaukeMollema What's going on? Seems like everybody gets time bonuses. I wonder what would have happened if I would have been the only one to go down...
07-14-16, 05:08 PM
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That punch fine for Froome was $230 something which would the the current EUR->USD conversion for 200.
Still odd to me they would fine him the exact amount of an action that has the fine AND[not OR] elimination, yet not eliminate him.
Still odd to me they would fine him the exact amount of an action that has the fine AND[not OR] elimination, yet not eliminate him.
07-14-16, 05:31 PM
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This whole thing pales compared to what happened in Nice. I shudder to think what a truck bomb on the Champs would do. We're talking millions of spectators, totally vulnerable. Boston cranked up a notch.
07-14-16, 07:22 PM
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Under section 3 (under a picture of a sprint with a crash in it):
"NB: In order to be classified, any rider no longer mounted on his cycle may finish the course either carrying, dragging or
pushing his machine, all of which must be without assistance. A rider will be classified if he is in possession of his cycle."
pushing his machine, all of which must be without assistance. A rider will be classified if he is in possession of his cycle."
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07-14-16, 07:35 PM
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https://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/N...NG_English.PDF
Under section 3 (under a picture of a sprint with a crash in it):
Under section 3 (under a picture of a sprint with a crash in it):
• In the event of a fall after passing the kite marking the start of the last three kilometres, the rider or riders involved will be awarded the time of the group to which they belonged at the time of the fall if the incident has been recorded by a race official or the finish judge or pointed out by the race director.
• These arrangements do not apply to individual or team time trials or in the event of a finish at the top of a mountain pass or in the case of steep gradients.
• If, after a fall at the finish line, a rider is unable to cross the line, he is classified in last place for that stage.
• In team or individual time trials, the finish judge must record, in order, the passage of all riders crossing the line so that the timekeeper can award them a time and, if appropriate, record them as having exceeded the disqualification deadline.
07-14-16, 08:36 PM
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Good link. But this is what I see below the picture. Not about the bike (or I'm blind).
• In the event of a fall after passing the kite marking the start of the last three kilometres, the rider or riders involved will be awarded the time of the group to which they belonged at the time of the fall if the incident has been recorded by a race official or the finish judge or pointed out by the race director.
• These arrangements do not apply to individual or team time trials or in the event of a finish at the top of a mountain pass or in the case of steep gradients.
• If, after a fall at the finish line, a rider is unable to cross the line, he is classified in last place for that stage.
• In team or individual time trials, the finish judge must record, in order, the passage of all riders crossing the line so that the timekeeper can award them a time and, if appropriate, record them as having exceeded the disqualification deadline.
• In the event of a fall after passing the kite marking the start of the last three kilometres, the rider or riders involved will be awarded the time of the group to which they belonged at the time of the fall if the incident has been recorded by a race official or the finish judge or pointed out by the race director.
• These arrangements do not apply to individual or team time trials or in the event of a finish at the top of a mountain pass or in the case of steep gradients.
• If, after a fall at the finish line, a rider is unable to cross the line, he is classified in last place for that stage.
• In team or individual time trials, the finish judge must record, in order, the passage of all riders crossing the line so that the timekeeper can award them a time and, if appropriate, record them as having exceeded the disqualification deadline.
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07-14-16, 08:38 PM
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Good link. But this is what I see below the picture. Not about the bike (or I'm blind).
• In the event of a fall after passing the kite marking the start of the last three kilometres, the rider or riders involved will be awarded the time of the group to which they belonged at the time of the fall if the incident has been recorded by a race official or the finish judge or pointed out by the race director.
• These arrangements do not apply to individual or team time trials or in the event of a finish at the top of a mountain pass or in the case of steep gradients.
• If, after a fall at the finish line, a rider is unable to cross the line, he is classified in last place for that stage.
• In team or individual time trials, the finish judge must record, in order, the passage of all riders crossing the line so that the timekeeper can award them a time and, if appropriate, record them as having exceeded the disqualification deadline.
• In the event of a fall after passing the kite marking the start of the last three kilometres, the rider or riders involved will be awarded the time of the group to which they belonged at the time of the fall if the incident has been recorded by a race official or the finish judge or pointed out by the race director.
• These arrangements do not apply to individual or team time trials or in the event of a finish at the top of a mountain pass or in the case of steep gradients.
• If, after a fall at the finish line, a rider is unable to cross the line, he is classified in last place for that stage.
• In team or individual time trials, the finish judge must record, in order, the passage of all riders crossing the line so that the timekeeper can award them a time and, if appropriate, record them as having exceeded the disqualification deadline.
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"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
07-14-16, 08:39 PM
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In general, the motorcyles look as though they feel they're more important than racers. Forcing their way through the peleton, 6 motos covering a break of 3 riders..... Just looks out of control lately.
Paris Roubaix too. 100 lead vehicles kicking up dust that the cyclists have to breathe.
Paris Roubaix too. 100 lead vehicles kicking up dust that the cyclists have to breathe.
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07-14-16, 08:40 PM
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"...during the Lance years, being fit became the No. 1 thing. Totally the only thing. It’s a big part of what we do, but fitness is not the only thing. There’s skills, there’s tactics … there’s all kinds of stuff..." Tim Johnson
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07-14-16, 09:49 PM
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also, this
UCI 12.12.14: "Wilful deviation from the course, attempt to be placed without having covered the entire course by bicycle, resuming the race after having accepted a lift in a vehicle or on a motorbike" are prohibited.
UCI 12.12.14: "Wilful deviation from the course, attempt to be placed without having covered the entire course by bicycle, resuming the race after having accepted a lift in a vehicle or on a motorbike" are prohibited.
07-14-16, 09:57 PM
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07-14-16, 10:26 PM
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Edit: Answer by @echappist
Two things.
It is a guide. Normally an official doc, but does allow some wiggle room (I had the same for soccer and the ref could override).
It says nothing - unlike USAC about advancing without a bike. Only finishing.
Good argument there was no rule broken.
07-14-16, 11:14 PM
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Exciting ****.
And what was up with the Mavic neutral bike? One thing for it to not fit, and the pedals were the wrong type, but then it stopped shifting or something?
Also I thought I saw one of Froome's team mates pass him just when he was about to get the Mavic bike, you'd think they'd stop..
Also #2 did Froome go down in Gerran's pileup on that descent?
What a stage.
And what was up with the Mavic neutral bike? One thing for it to not fit, and the pedals were the wrong type, but then it stopped shifting or something?
Also I thought I saw one of Froome's team mates pass him just when he was about to get the Mavic bike, you'd think they'd stop..
Also #2 did Froome go down in Gerran's pileup on that descent?
What a stage.