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What's harder for 50 Plus- Running (Jogging) or Bicycling ?

Old 02-27-21, 06:46 AM
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... as it reminded me too much of Marine boot camp!
For me it was the Police Academy.
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Old 02-27-21, 07:43 AM
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Running is harder for me but I still like to do it semi regularly to maintain the ability. There are real life situations where it could come in handy, and not just for when being chased by bears! 5k is the most I do, but I have placed in my age group on timed events several times. I suspect doing much longer runs regularly would beat up my body, while doing long bike rides won't.
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Old 02-27-21, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by y0x8 View Post
A bicycle has wheels.
Any wheel, no matter how big or small, is a flywheel.
And the flywheel is essentially an energy storage device, an energy accumulator.
The battery of energy can be charged and can give it back.
Where does the linear inertia of the bike and the rider come from?
Of course, from the untwisted flywheel wheel.
An example of removing energy from a wheel is a dynamo.
The mechanical energy of the flywheel is converted into electrical energy.


On fixed gear power wheel flywheel connected to the cranks - pedals hard, and Cycling with the free flow of energy in the crankset - pedals not, reverse the mechanical connection is broken due to the overrunning clutch.
Thus, the mechanical energy of the entire rider bike is always present on the fixed gear crank pedals.
In a transmission with an intermediate shaft, this energy is not even added, but multiplied.
We don't call it a flywheel when the rotational inertia is insignificant. The linear momentum comes from you forcing the wheel around - the opposite effect of a flywheel.

I don't mean to pick, that's why I originally asked you to explain in non-physics terms. Energy added or multiplied by the transmission isn't a thing - just some advice here, take or leave it, but you should find a another way to describe your concept. The physics analogy doesn't work.

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Old 02-28-21, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
We don't call it a flywheel when the rotational inertia is insignificant. The linear momentum comes from you forcing the wheel around - the opposite effect of a flywheel.

I don't mean to pick, that's why I originally asked you to explain in non-physics terms. Energy added or multiplied by the transmission isn't a thing - just some advice here, take or leave it, but you should find a another way to describe your concept. The physics analogy doesn't work.
Let's get away from physics and weigh the bikes. We measure their average and maximum speed.
This fixed fear weighs 10.4 kg, average speed 20 km / h, maximum speed 40 km / h:


But this bike weighs 17.5 kg, the average speed is 22.2 km / h, the maximum speed is 47.5 km / h:

If it's not physics, then it's magic.
Or the wild euphoria of owning a new thing?
What's wrong with physics?
Why is everything turned upside down?
The maximum speed of 47.5 km / h is not the limit for this magic bike, which accelerates itself.
Fixed gear and so go by magic, they do not even need to turn the connecting rods - they turn themselves.
On this bike, the long-range connecting rods spin twice as fast as the fixed gear!
Magically spin themselves!

I am an old, decrepit, sick, infirm old man of 100 kg weight, with an average power of 70-80 W, became a wizard, spat on all the laws of physics and began to drive even faster!
And even added power to 110-120 watts!!!
He must be crazy ...
It is mystic fixed gear.
It is not easy to put into words. There is an almost mystical connection between a fixed-gear cyclist and bicycle: it feels like an extension of your body to a greater extent than does a freewheel-equipped machine. If you are an enthusiastic, vigorous cyclist, you really should give it a try.
Sheldon Brown
Even the great Sheldon Brown could not explain scientifically the physics of fixed gear, and applied not a physical, but a mystical term in the description.
It seems like fixed gear is very simple, but in fact the scientific physics of fixed gear is very complex.


Sheldon Brown almost made it up New Fixed Gear.

I feel very clearly on my own skin the mystical connection between myself and the fixed gear bike, as an extension of my body.
To fixed gear who did not ride it, you need to get used to some time.
The New Fixed Gear also needs a habit.
No one in the world has ever ridden it, so I can share my feelings a little.
I'm still dumbfounded and not used to it.
You drive like a limousine.
And I'm not used to it yet because of the short time riding it - it's like getting used to fixed gear - it should be some time.
On fixed gear, you get the joy of driving and euphoria like a drug.
On New Fixed Gear, the buzz is harder and more deadly.
When, after a trip to the New Fixed Gear in the garage, I changed the bike and immediately sat on the fixed gear, there was a moment that I kind of unlearned fixed gear again - somehow it seemed fragile to me.
The internal energy of the entire New Fixed Gear system-the racer, turned out to be simply stunning.
I was having a great time!​​​​​​​
It was like I was under the influence of drugs and I was experiencing a state of euphoria from drugs.
​​​​​​​All in all, full of Buzz!!!

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Old 02-28-21, 06:25 AM
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Let's get away from physics and weigh the bikes. We measure their average and maximum speed.
This fixed fear weighs 10.4 kg, average speed 20 km / h, maximum speed 40 km / h:


But this bike weighs 17.5 kg, the average speed is 22.2 km / h, the maximum speed is 47.5 km / h:

If it's not physics, then it's magic.


it's almost entirely your position on the two bikes, and how you've adapted to riding them.


Or the wild euphoria of owning a new thing?
What's wrong with physics?

It seems like fixed gear is very simple, but in fact the scientific physics of fixed gear is very complex.


Nothing is wrong with physics, when it's real physics. I'm sorry, but what you're presenting isn't really physics. If I didn't feel you were earnest, I'd be insulted because people trying to BS you will often resort to "dazzle them with science" and the fake science is insulting. But I think you ARE earnest, so I'm trying to help.


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I feel very clearly on my own skin the mystical connection between myself and the fixed gear bike, as an extension of my body.
To fixed gear who did not ride it, you need to get used to some time.
The New Fixed Gear also needs a habit.
No one in the world has ever ridden it, so I can share my feelings a little.
I'm still dumbfounded and not used to it.
You drive like a limousine.
And I'm not used to it yet because of the short time riding it - it's like getting used to fixed gear - it should be some time.
On fixed gear, you get the joy of driving and euphoria like a drug.
On New Fixed Gear, the buzz is harder and more deadly.
When, after a trip to the New Fixed Gear in the garage, I changed the bike and immediately sat on the fixed gear, there was a moment that I kind of unlearned fixed gear again - somehow it seemed fragile to me.
<snipped>
I was having a great time![
/QUOTE]

I much prefer your subjective interpretation here.

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Old 02-28-21, 07:03 AM
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[QUOTE=wphamilton;21944914]it's almost entirely your position on the two bikes, and how you've adapted to riding them.



Nothing is wrong with physics, when it's real physics. I'm sorry, but what you're presenting isn't really physics. If I didn't feel you were earnest, I'd be insulted because people trying to BS you will often resort to "dazzle them with science" and the fake science is insulting. But I think you ARE earnest, so I'm trying to help.

I feel very clearly on my own skin the mystical connection between myself and the fixed gear bike, as an extension of my body.
To fixed gear who did not ride it, you need to get used to some time.
The New Fixed Gear also needs a habit.
No one in the world has ever ridden it, so I can share my feelings a little.
I'm still dumbfounded and not used to it.
You drive like a limousine.
And I'm not used to it yet because of the short time riding it - it's like getting used to fixed gear - it should be some time.
On fixed gear, you get the joy of driving and euphoria like a drug.
On New Fixed Gear, the buzz is harder and more deadly.
When, after a trip to the New Fixed Gear in the garage, I changed the bike and immediately sat on the fixed gear, there was a moment that I kind of unlearned fixed gear again - somehow it seemed fragile to me.
<snipped>
I was having a great time![
/QUOTE]

I much prefer your subjective interpretation here.
Since I have already tried New Fixed Gear, I subjectively feel and even know that I will go even faster in the new season.
This is just on the available pre-gear 177 inches will go.
The next stage I will have is a 200-inch transmission.
I will not paint the physics of magic, but I will show the star 15t for 200 inches:


(48T/15t)x(53T/22t)x26"=200"
And I would also like to ask you, on what basis are patents (inventions) made - on the basis of magic-magic or still on physical principles?
Do you seriously think that inventions are made just at the click of a finger?

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Old 02-28-21, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by y0x8 View Post
[(48T/15t)x(53T/22t)x26"=200"
And I would also like to ask you, on what basis are patents (inventions) made - on the basis of magic-magic or still on physical principles?
Do you seriously think that inventions are made just at the click of a finger?
Eh? If you want to argue, I'm not interested. I wish you good luck with your 200 gear inch energy multiplier.
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Old 02-28-21, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Eh? If you want to argue, I'm not interested. I wish you good luck with your 200 gear inch energy multiplier.
I'm sorry if anything is wrong.
I was not going to argue with anyone, but just show the phenomenon of the new program as it is.
There were no such programs in the world, it is completely new.
And no one but me can say anything about her. While on this gear, I "overtook" my standard fixed gear - this shows that the idea is working.
I will continue to work on this program no matter what.
If I really want to amuse my ego, I can document the scientific discovery of the phenomenon of fixed gear recovery.
The formula for the discovery has already been drawn up, it is up to the scientific physical society to formalize and prove it.
And I will say this about inventions - they are secondary to physical discoveries.
On the basis of scientific discoveries, inventions are made in whole bundles in their field of discovery.
I already have a lot of projects on the new gear-both cargo fixes and snowmobiles and stappers.
A lot of toys were born right out of nowhere, such as have never been before.
And all because of the opening of the recovery.
So these constructions would lie in ignorance, no one would know about them.
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IMO More impact = harder
Running / Jogging harder than Cycling
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IMO More impact = harder
Running / Jogging harder than Cycling
This pretty much, plus running is a more intense exercise for a given time. That makes it harder in my opinion.
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IMO More impact = harder
Running / Jogging harder than Cycling
I once rode a motorcycle in the woods.
In parallel to me, a man ran with his training.
I love to photograph the forest and nature.
So I would stop, adjust the camera, and take pictures.
And that runner passed me riding a motorcycle.
What had he seen in the woods?
He couldn't see anything, just a strip of road ahead of him and a wall of forest around him.
I've seen the wonders of the forest.
Dew, grass, bugs, the sun, the play of shadows, cobwebs, leaves, flowers.
So I don't like stupid running. It should be combined with the contemplation of nature.
Then running is a walk and that's good.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
This pretty much, plus running is a more intense exercise for a given time. That makes it harder in my opinion.
Very true.
Depending on the definition for harder, it could be answered WRT impact or effort or other criteria.
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Originally Posted by y0x8 View Post
I once rode a motorcycle in the woods.
In parallel to me, a man ran with his training.
I love to photograph the forest and nature.
So I would stop, adjust the camera, and take pictures.
And that runner passed me riding a motorcycle.
What had he seen in the woods?
He couldn't see anything, just a strip of road ahead of him and a wall of forest around him.
I've seen the wonders of the forest.
Dew, grass, bugs, the sun, the play of shadows, cobwebs, leaves, flowers.
So I don't like stupid running. It should be combined with the contemplation of nature.
Then running is a walk and that's good.
That's an odd comparison to make. The vast majority of off-road motorcyclists spend zero time stopping to smell the flowers. The vast majority of people traveling by foot through forests see far more of the dew, grass, bugs, etc., than the majority of motorcyclists, including, I suspect, you ("I once . . . . ").
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