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Old 03-02-21, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
IKR. Back in 2017 I was riding the GAP trail in PA. I was in the town of W. Newton walking my bike. Wanted to cross a street and waited at the intersection for the light to turn green, like a good citizen. Light turns green and I enter the crosswalk. "Karen" nearly hits me trying to make a left turn. She yells profanity at me. The only thing she could have been pissed at was that I hadn't crossed on red and thus got in her way.
Failure of imagination. She was probably mad at you so she could pretend almost hitting you was not her own fault, but rather yours, for being there. Plus, you know, riding a bike.
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Old 03-02-21, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
I think another state recently adopted the saw laws. You can treat stop signs as yield signs. You have to come to a complete stop and red lights, but then you can proceed through is it's safe to do so. When Idaho first adopted it, car/bike accidents dropped then leveled off.

I take the same approach here in Philly. Makes total sense because the city has so many narrow streets. Allows a cyclist to stay ahead of auto traffic when there is no bike lane.
Yup.

If it comes down to a conflict between following the law and riding more safely, I'm going to always choose the latter.
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Old 03-02-21, 11:14 AM
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So it's okay to be a jerk, but just not on a bike.
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Old 03-02-21, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Kabuki12 View Post
I didn't, I just disagree with you. When someone disagrees with you , it does not mean they are wrong, OK? We CAN disagree , it is fine.
How can people safely make a right turn on red after stop if going when the light is red is unsafe? How about making it through a yield sign? The same risk management principles that allow us to do those things safely can allow us to run red lights and stop signs perfectly safely. It's not Covid science, it's really simple.
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Old 03-02-21, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
How can people safely make a right turn on red after stop if going when the light is red is unsafe? How about making it through a yield sign? The same risk management principles that allow us to do those things safely can allow us to run red lights and stop signs perfectly safely. It's not Covid science, it's really simple.
Look, I disagree and that's that. The other instances are different in principle and I could get into a month long debate but lets just let it go! If you want to think I am wrong and you are right , I'm ok with that . I don't need to get validation from you or any one else.
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Old 03-02-21, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
So it's okay to be a jerk, but just not on a bike.
Well, THAT'S a relief!
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Old 03-02-21, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
So it's okay to be a jerk, but just not on a bike.
Thought it would take far fewer than 53 posts for someone to acknowledge that.
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Old 03-02-21, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Kabuki12 View Post
Look, I disagree and that's that. The other instances are different in principle and I could get into a month long debate but lets just let it go! If you want to think I am wrong and you are right , I'm ok with that . I don't need to get validation from you or any one else.

How do you ever find the courage to depart a stop sign?
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Old 03-02-21, 12:20 PM
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if you look in the mirror as you blow past the sign, it reads, "POTS" . So you're really approaching a stop sign, but passing a pots sign.
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Old 03-02-21, 12:22 PM
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Be sure to come to a complete stop here: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5618...!7i3328!8i1664

Not only will it serve to raise the public's perception of us jerks, but also because it is completely impossible to roll through this intersection safely without stopping.
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Old 03-02-21, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post


BTW...There’s a forum for that:


https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/
Here, you may run out.
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Old 03-02-21, 12:32 PM
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I actually agree. I had been riding with a group just to give it a try. Seems many are too busy trying to win a race that does not exist and take really stupid chances to be the first one back. Really stupid since there are regroup points and the WINNERS neve stop to regroup.

But the scary thing is that they take stupid chances. Say the group is flying across the city at 25 mph. There have been a couple gals that want to make themselves noticed for leading the pack. OK, so they are at the front for a bit then fade back to 10th position, out of 25 by the next intersection. So focused on being at the front that once the group stops at the intersection, they squeeze between high speed cross traffic and risking their lives to be #1. Almost saw one of them get hit about a month ago. Too much for me, I stopped riding with them. Who wants to watch another rider get hit by a vehicle doing 50+ just because they wanted to be first to blow the regroup?

The other side of the issue, who wants to kill a cyclist because of the cyclist's stupidity? Poor soul would have to live the rest of their lives with that on their conscience the rest of their lives even though they were following the traffic rules and only because of a stupid cyclist?

One day, I decided to kick back in the passenger's seat and let my wife drive. Approached a 4 stop intersection, plenty of cars, maybe 10 deep at each stop. Finally made our way to the front, looked around and started to proceed across the intersection. Some idiot heading south, 4% grade flew between the cars to our left and blew through the intersection at about 20 MPH without even blinking and eye. Wife was about a 1/3 of the way across when she had to slam on the brakes or make a hood ornament out of the guy.

What a total moron, risking his life being too stupid to stop for 30 seconds waiting his turn! Of course the guy can go kill himself and I would not care one bit. But my wife having to live the rest of her life thinking about it is another thing. People always say that a guy on a bike can't hurt others. That's a bunch of bull. Cyclists kill peds and ruin the lives of others with their stupidity. But that seems to be the way of the world today. Too many people live for themselves and don't care about those around you.

Not to mention, too many fools who actually don't believe cyclists do stupid things like run intersections that are not clear.
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Old 03-02-21, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
I don't come here to be scolded.
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I was thinking more like
"I came here for an argument."
"OH! This is Abuse. Argument is down the hall."
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Old 03-02-21, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
Be sure to come to a complete stop here: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5618...!7i3328!8i1664

Not only will it serve to raise the public's perception of us jerks, but also because it is completely impossible to roll through this intersection safely without stopping.
I swear that's the intersection where the cropdusting plane harassed Cary Grant.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
I swear that's the intersection where the cropdusting plane harassed Cary Grant.
“I’ll bet you could tease a man to death without half trying.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
I swear that's the intersection where the cropdusting plane harassed Cary Grant.
Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
“I’ll bet you could tease a man to death without half trying.
"That fella's dusting crops where there ain't no crops."
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"That fella's dusting crops where there ain't no crops."
"Not very sporting of you, using real bullets."
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Originally Posted by YellaFella View Post
I was watching a YouTube video of a ride this morning. The guy recording the ride and his riding buddy came to a red light at an intersection, barely slowed down, and rode right through the light. Fellow cyclists, we have to be better.

Don't be that cyclist, OK?

What do you think? Am I wrong or right? (As you'll see in the blog, I don't absolve drivers, who shoulder a much larger share of blame, IMO. But I feel like we have to own up to our issues).
Can someone translate this from Whiny Frightened Karen into English for me?

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
Sometimes breaking the law is the most respectful thing I can do for motorists, and it can enhance my safety as well. Motorists who are not cyclists are too ignorant to realize this. They are often the most vocal with their complaints.
Preach!

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I once got pulled over for going through a red light,

It was 7:00am on a Sunday in June, It was a road with 3 lanes each way and I stopped. After a minute of no cars and none in sight I went past the light. I was about 3 block from the intersection when I head a police car so I pulled over to let him go by.. and he pulled over. He decided to lecture me about how he could write a ticket and it would go in my driver's license. And if I didn't have valid picture ID he could arrest me and take my bike. I decided to let him talk since he wasn't giving me a ticket.

As it turns out, I have a friend who's a captain at the same precinct and mentions the story. He said he knows who it was and he's a jerk. And if he did write a ticket the judge would throw it out.

Yes, many cyclists are jerks.

I do go through red lights and stop signs IF I feel it is safe. After all, if in wrong, i'm the one that pays for it.

I generally wave to motorists that give the right of way and are courteous.
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Originally Posted by HD3andMe View Post
Can someone translate this from Whiny Frightened Karen into English for me?

Thanks!
A cyclist with limited real world experience virtue signaled to motorists in a blog post.
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Originally Posted by GlennR View Post
I once got pulled over for going through a red light,

It was 7:00am on a Sunday in June, It was a road with 3 lanes each way and I stopped. After a minute of no cars and none in sight I went past the light. I was about 3 block from the intersection when I head a police car so I pulled over to let him go by.. and he pulled over. He decided to lecture me about how he could write a ticket and it would go in my driver's license. And if I didn't have valid picture ID he could arrest me and take my bike. I decided to let him talk since he wasn't giving me a ticket.

As it turns out, I have a friend who's a captain at the same precinct and mentions the story. He said he knows who it was and he's a jerk. And if he did write a ticket the judge would throw it out.

Yes, many cyclists are jerks.

I do go through red lights and stop signs IF I feel it is safe. After all, if in wrong, i'm the one that pays for it.

I generally wave to motorists that give the right of way and are courteous.
Here in PA (and perhaps in some other states, too), a cyclist is allowed to go through a red light if it is malfunctioning -- and that includes a light's inability to detect a cyclist and turn green. And hell, I would've done exactly as you did, with or without the law on my side.
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I won’t inconvenience or endanger others, but obeying traffic laws can get you killed just as easily as not obeying them.
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