Cytomax (Tangy Orange) - Formula Change?
04-15-18, 10:26 AM
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Cytomax (Tangy Orange) - Formula Change?
I hope this is the best forum to post this....
I have been using Cytomax "Tangy Orange" as my go-to on-bike drink for about 10 years. Its taste is decent, it has the requisite carbs and electrolytes, and it has not caused any GI problems for me. I am able to buy it in bulk online typically for $25 for 4.5 pound bottles, and a bulk order of 4 or 5 bottles lasts me 6 months.
I recently ran low and bought another bulk order. Same retailer btw. But...
The most recent version of this drink mix is NOT the same. The name is the same. The label is different. I also notice that when I fill the bottle, the mix is a little frothy (which is new), and most importantly it TASTES different. Bad different. The previous version was a little sweet, not delicious but ok. This new version is bitter/sour and I don't really like it compared to the older version I am used to.
Has anyone else noticed this? I imagine I can try to get used to this since I bought a box of 5 4.5 pound bottles.
I have been using Cytomax "Tangy Orange" as my go-to on-bike drink for about 10 years. Its taste is decent, it has the requisite carbs and electrolytes, and it has not caused any GI problems for me. I am able to buy it in bulk online typically for $25 for 4.5 pound bottles, and a bulk order of 4 or 5 bottles lasts me 6 months.
I recently ran low and bought another bulk order. Same retailer btw. But...
The most recent version of this drink mix is NOT the same. The name is the same. The label is different. I also notice that when I fill the bottle, the mix is a little frothy (which is new), and most importantly it TASTES different. Bad different. The previous version was a little sweet, not delicious but ok. This new version is bitter/sour and I don't really like it compared to the older version I am used to.
Has anyone else noticed this? I imagine I can try to get used to this since I bought a box of 5 4.5 pound bottles.
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I hope this is the best forum to post this..............I have been using Cytomax "Tangy Orange" as my go-to on-bike drink for about 10 years. Its taste is decent, it has the requisite carbs and electrolytes, and it has not caused any GI problems for me.....................
I tried Crank Sports e-Fuel https://www.cranksports.com/efuel/ at the suggestion of a friend along with their e-Gels and found the taste to be superior AND the nutritional value to be superior.
You can see on the comparison table https://www.cranksports.com/comparisons/cytomax/
Used both on last Sunday's 167 mile Cross Florida.
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That's been a common complaint about several long time favorite supplements. My best guess is supplement makers are finding different sources for amino acids. The newer stuff tastes different.
There's been a lot of negative comments on health websites and customer reviews about the raw sources for amino acids. The most common sources reportedly were animal keratin, from stuff considered offal -- hide, fur, feathers, even hair (including human hair). Customers who didn't know this before are now regurgitating the same shocked reactions on Amazon reviews and elsewhere.
Understandably, the new trend in marketing is tied in with the blockchain concept. Customers want to know the beginning to end sources, right down to the faces of the farmers or ranchers and everyone who handles their food products along the way. That's a tough sell when your source for BCAAs is anonymous and often unscrupulous manufacturers in China raking together duck feathers, dung, rotting hides and human hair into a foul pot that eventually becomes amino acids for supplements.
Reportedly more reputable marques of supplements are switching to fermented vegan based amino acids, sourced from one particular company in Japan that's willing to jump on the blockchain bandwagon and enable customers to trace the sources of their food supplements, including seeing photos of the people who handled the raw materials.
The downside is some folks claim the fermented vegan amino acids have a peculiar or bitter flavor while the older style stuff produced through the wonders of chemistry from animal sources don't have much flavor.
Just a theory about why so many customers are reporting changes in flavors and ingredient percentages in several well known food supplements.
Incidentally, I see some customer reviews claiming "such and such manufacturing admitted to me they make their BCAAs from duck feathers." I'm gonna call B.S. on that. No manufacturer of food supplements will reveal that much detail to one complaining customer. They might say "Yes, the source is animal keratin." But they aren't going to say "Sorry, yes, your supplement was made from duck feathers, chicken poop and the hair of executed political prisoners." Not gonna happen.
There's been a lot of negative comments on health websites and customer reviews about the raw sources for amino acids. The most common sources reportedly were animal keratin, from stuff considered offal -- hide, fur, feathers, even hair (including human hair). Customers who didn't know this before are now regurgitating the same shocked reactions on Amazon reviews and elsewhere.
Understandably, the new trend in marketing is tied in with the blockchain concept. Customers want to know the beginning to end sources, right down to the faces of the farmers or ranchers and everyone who handles their food products along the way. That's a tough sell when your source for BCAAs is anonymous and often unscrupulous manufacturers in China raking together duck feathers, dung, rotting hides and human hair into a foul pot that eventually becomes amino acids for supplements.
Reportedly more reputable marques of supplements are switching to fermented vegan based amino acids, sourced from one particular company in Japan that's willing to jump on the blockchain bandwagon and enable customers to trace the sources of their food supplements, including seeing photos of the people who handled the raw materials.
The downside is some folks claim the fermented vegan amino acids have a peculiar or bitter flavor while the older style stuff produced through the wonders of chemistry from animal sources don't have much flavor.
Just a theory about why so many customers are reporting changes in flavors and ingredient percentages in several well known food supplements.
Incidentally, I see some customer reviews claiming "such and such manufacturing admitted to me they make their BCAAs from duck feathers." I'm gonna call B.S. on that. No manufacturer of food supplements will reveal that much detail to one complaining customer. They might say "Yes, the source is animal keratin." But they aren't going to say "Sorry, yes, your supplement was made from duck feathers, chicken poop and the hair of executed political prisoners." Not gonna happen.
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That's been a common complaint about several long time favorite supplements. My best guess is supplement makers are finding different sources for amino acids. The newer stuff tastes different.
There's been a lot of negative comments on health websites and customer reviews about the raw sources for amino acids. The most common sources reportedly were animal keratin, from stuff considered offal -- hide, fur, feathers, even hair (including human hair). Customers who didn't know this before are now regurgitating the same shocked reactions on Amazon reviews and elsewhere.
Understandably, the new trend in marketing is tied in with the blockchain concept. Customers want to know the beginning to end sources, right down to the faces of the farmers or ranchers and everyone who handles their food products along the way. That's a tough sell when your source for BCAAs is anonymous and often unscrupulous manufacturers in China raking together duck feathers, dung, rotting hides and human hair into a foul pot that eventually becomes amino acids for supplements.
Reportedly more reputable marques of supplements are switching to fermented vegan based amino acids, sourced from one particular company in Japan that's willing to jump on the blockchain bandwagon and enable customers to trace the sources of their food supplements, including seeing photos of the people who handled the raw materials.
The downside is some folks claim the fermented vegan amino acids have a peculiar or bitter flavor while the older style stuff produced through the wonders of chemistry from animal sources don't have much flavor.
Just a theory about why so many customers are reporting changes in flavors and ingredient percentages in several well known food supplements.
Incidentally, I see some customer reviews claiming "such and such manufacturing admitted to me they make their BCAAs from duck feathers." I'm gonna call B.S. on that. No manufacturer of food supplements will reveal that much detail to one complaining customer. They might say "Yes, the source is animal keratin." But they aren't going to say "Sorry, yes, your supplement was made from duck feathers, chicken poop and the hair of executed political prisoners." Not gonna happen.
There's been a lot of negative comments on health websites and customer reviews about the raw sources for amino acids. The most common sources reportedly were animal keratin, from stuff considered offal -- hide, fur, feathers, even hair (including human hair). Customers who didn't know this before are now regurgitating the same shocked reactions on Amazon reviews and elsewhere.
Understandably, the new trend in marketing is tied in with the blockchain concept. Customers want to know the beginning to end sources, right down to the faces of the farmers or ranchers and everyone who handles their food products along the way. That's a tough sell when your source for BCAAs is anonymous and often unscrupulous manufacturers in China raking together duck feathers, dung, rotting hides and human hair into a foul pot that eventually becomes amino acids for supplements.
Reportedly more reputable marques of supplements are switching to fermented vegan based amino acids, sourced from one particular company in Japan that's willing to jump on the blockchain bandwagon and enable customers to trace the sources of their food supplements, including seeing photos of the people who handled the raw materials.
The downside is some folks claim the fermented vegan amino acids have a peculiar or bitter flavor while the older style stuff produced through the wonders of chemistry from animal sources don't have much flavor.
Just a theory about why so many customers are reporting changes in flavors and ingredient percentages in several well known food supplements.
Incidentally, I see some customer reviews claiming "such and such manufacturing admitted to me they make their BCAAs from duck feathers." I'm gonna call B.S. on that. No manufacturer of food supplements will reveal that much detail to one complaining customer. They might say "Yes, the source is animal keratin." But they aren't going to say "Sorry, yes, your supplement was made from duck feathers, chicken poop and the hair of executed political prisoners." Not gonna happen.
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