genec

Try starting at my first mention of such laws, back in post 21, instead of jumping into an offhand response to ILTB.

winston63 

It’s happened locally and made the news: a cyclist was ticketed for speeding through a school zone. I only know of that one instance, but as far as I know the cyclist had to pay the same fine a motorist would have had to pay (which is fairly substantial).

Gresp15C

No, but there are cyclists who are curious enough to look it up on a lazy Saturday afternoon.

CliffordK

So, the first time you wait for a half an hour for the light to change before proceeding.

Then what do you do the second time you encounter that same light?

CliffordK

Oregon's law is found here:

ORS 811.360 Section 2

Of course, it says nothing about the times when there is a complete failure of the light to cycle. Steady green for cross traffic that never changes for an extended period.

And, of course, the issue is that if it never properly detects the cyclist, one quickly loses patience for the next traffic light encounter or the next time one goes through the same light.

One option, of course, would be Washington's approach to actually fix the lights to detect bicycles (or so they say), as well adding a "blue light" to inform a person that they've triggered the sensors.

KraneXL

LOL, I should know better by now.Well at least its good to know I'm not the only one around here that looks at the DMV driver handbook as light reading.

CliffordK

I think some cyclists consider getting a speeding ticket (not on a hill) as a badge of honor.

I-Like-To-Bike

Some cyclists are jerks.

I-Like-To-Bike

Believe it or not, this thread and the various responses are not all about you or your posts. The thread begins on msg#1 and responders may even consider posts made on A&S by other posters that you.

Kontact 

Happened to a friend - but he only got a warning rather than a ticket. It was in front of our high school and next to an elementary school.

genec

You are right, no one really cares, except perhaps those that choose to respond.

BTW, my whole response was in an attempt to enlighten those that might care about what was originally posted inpost 17.
That just struck me as a bunch of nonsense. But I suppose you agree with it, eh?

Hoopdriver

Fixed for you.

Paul Barnard

I apply the 3 D's irrespective of my mode of transport.

Is it dumb, dangerous or discourteous? Is so, I don't do it. If not, then it's all good.

I-Like-To-Bike

Your suppositions are sometimes a bunch of nonsense, and your responses based on them are the same. This is one of them.

mcours2006

All subjective, but especially the discourteous one. I was stopped at a stop light one time waiting to go through a major road. A transit bus was on the left turn lane. When the light turned amber and traffic was clear I went. The bus driver honked at me. My action was of absolutely no consequence to him and yet he felt compelled to let known his displeasure, that my action was discourteous.

I showed him my displeasure by giving the one-finger salute. Now that's discourteous!

Gresp15C

We pass the time thumbing through our handy pocket edition of the Wisconsin traffic code, of course.

But seriously, when I'm on my bike, I'm not sitting at my computer debating about traffic laws in a forum thread that's about traffic laws. It's a safe bet that I do what most sane cyclists would do if stuck at a non functioning traffic light. I can only say that based on habits formed over the decades, I tend to obey traffic lights. There are actually relatively few of them on my typical routes.

Of course, to cite me for waiting fewer than 45 seconds, someone would have to prove that I waited fewer than 45 seconds.

When I lived in another town long ago, I was driving through the downtown area, and stopped when the light turned red. I got rear-ended. The guy got out and started cussing me out for stopping at the stoplight. I calmly asked him if he'd like to continue debating it until the police arrived. He got back in his car and stormed off, still cussing. It looked like my trailer hitch had gone through his radiator.

genec

Oh, so you support the notion that "most roads have unposted minimum speeds and it is a violation for cyclists not meeting that speed to even be on the road."

From the original quote:
https://www.bikeforums.net/20281965-post17.html

Daniel4

Depending on how busy the cross street is, I may
1) get off the bike and press the pedestrian cross button. Then either walk my bike across or get back into the curb lane and ride across;

or

2) make a right turn and when I'm far enough from the intersection, make a U-turn and go back to the intersection and turn right. (U-turns are legal in Toronto. I've seen many motorists including service and construction vehicles make U-turns in the intersection.)

Daniel4

I can't tell you how many times this has happened to me. I got honked one early morning for letting a pedestrian cross the street. My wife got rear-ended while trying to turn right after stopping at the red light. I get honked for stopping at the red light and I get honked just as the light turns green.

Never had a cyclist do these things to me.

genec

Yeah, I was honked at by another motorist when I let a signaling cyclist cross a freeway ramp in front of me.

I-Like-To-Bike

Another example of your bunch of nonsense suppositions MO, fabricating a bogus claim or opinion for me.

genec

As usual, you skip the heart of the matter and just attack the messenger.

OK simply answer the question:
Do most roads have unposted minimum speeds and it is a violation for cyclists not meeting that speed to even be on the road?

Now offer your own opinion.

I-Like-To-Bike

I have no "opinion" on your so-called question or this subject, since I couldn't care less. It is your question, answer it yourself. Besides you can just fabricate another "supposition" about what my opinion really is, whether I post one or not.

genec

Yet again, avoiding the question and just attacking the messenger. If you have no opinion, just shut up!

BillyD

Enough! ILTB and Genec please both leave the thread, I don’t care who started it but it takes two to tango and since neither is backing down, both please go. Thanks so much.