ISO: LeMond Washoe, 57 (L)
01-17-20, 10:21 AM
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I was lucky enough to find a guy that bought one intending to build it up and never did. So the bike is essentially brand new.
01-17-20, 11:01 AM
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01-22-20, 05:04 PM
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I'm wanting to keep the frameset cost under $2k. Given that the Washoe is impossible to find, would a Cinelli Nemo Tig be a close alternative?
01-23-20, 02:43 PM
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A rim brake frame is $2400
https://www.cinelli-usa.com/news/cinelli-nemo-tig/ this claims the frame is made to measure, but the first link shows its sold in 6 sizes.
As for if this is a close alternative to the Washoe, its of similar overall weight, quality tubing, and cost. But really- compare the geometry of the frame size you would ride for the Washoe to the frame size you would ride for the Nemo. Thats how you can figure out if its a close alternative.
The Nemo, like many bikes, is a totally different feeling bike in the smallest size vs the largest. The smallest size has 71mm of trail with 28mm tires while the largest size has 55mm of trail. It pays to compare apples to apples.
As for the cost- they sure managed to match the Washoe price!
01-23-20, 04:02 PM
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https://www.cinelli-usa.com/nemo-tig-frameset/
A rim brake frame is $2400
https://www.cinelli-usa.com/news/cinelli-nemo-tig/ this claims the frame is made to measure, but the first link shows its sold in 6 sizes.
As for if this is a close alternative to the Washoe, its of similar overall weight, quality tubing, and cost. But really- compare the geometry of the frame size you would ride for the Washoe to the frame size you would ride for the Nemo. Thats how you can figure out if its a close alternative.
The Nemo, like many bikes, is a totally different feeling bike in the smallest size vs the largest. The smallest size has 71mm of trail with 28mm tires while the largest size has 55mm of trail. It pays to compare apples to apples.
As for the cost- they sure managed to match the Washoe price!
A rim brake frame is $2400
https://www.cinelli-usa.com/news/cinelli-nemo-tig/ this claims the frame is made to measure, but the first link shows its sold in 6 sizes.
As for if this is a close alternative to the Washoe, its of similar overall weight, quality tubing, and cost. But really- compare the geometry of the frame size you would ride for the Washoe to the frame size you would ride for the Nemo. Thats how you can figure out if its a close alternative.
The Nemo, like many bikes, is a totally different feeling bike in the smallest size vs the largest. The smallest size has 71mm of trail with 28mm tires while the largest size has 55mm of trail. It pays to compare apples to apples.
As for the cost- they sure managed to match the Washoe price!
I've struggled to find anything with the exact geometry of the Washoe . . . found something close, but not exact. I'm also looking at the Eddy Merckx Roubaix 70
and the Eddy Merckx Strada
The Roubaix is made with Columbus Zona . . . so fairly hefty. The Strada is made with Merckx Premium Steel . . . whatever that means. Can't find any ride reports on the Strada either.
01-23-20, 05:23 PM
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Have you looked at the Holdsworth Competition Frameset from Planet X? I know it isn't in the same price range (much cheaper) but has comparable tubing with Columbus Spirit, frameset weight, and geometery as the washoe. Also similar look if you were wanting to go for the orange. Worth checking out in my opinion.
https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/FRHOCO...ition-frameset
01-23-20, 11:06 PM
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Well, I thought I had a source for the stock-sized Nemo at ~$1600, but they're sold out of my size.
I've struggled to find anything with the exact geometry of the Washoe . . . found something close, but not exact. I'm also looking at the Eddy Merckx Roubaix 70
The Roubaix is made with Columbus Zona . . . so fairly hefty. The Strada is made with Merckx Premium Steel . . . whatever that means. Can't find any ride reports on the Strada either.
I've struggled to find anything with the exact geometry of the Washoe . . . found something close, but not exact. I'm also looking at the Eddy Merckx Roubaix 70
The Roubaix is made with Columbus Zona . . . so fairly hefty. The Strada is made with Merckx Premium Steel . . . whatever that means. Can't find any ride reports on the Strada either.
My 65cm frame weights 1970g painted. A more common size would obviously weigh a good bit less.
The claimed 1490g weight of the Roubaix 70 is crazy light. I would guess that is the smallest frame, but the website doesnt specify(absurd that it is omitted).
Room for 25mm tires at max is quite surprising. Seems a bit antiquated as there is just no harm in designing to fit up to 28.
And why isnt the frameset listed on the merckx website? Odd.
The lack of info on the strada frame is again, odd. Why ot give details about the frame? It just isnt asking much and small brands really should give details to separate themselves from the large brands.
01-24-20, 06:13 AM
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It was trendy to build them super-tight for a while. A number of road bikes couldn't fit anything bigger than a large-ish 23, and only now it's becoming more common to fit 28s.
01-24-20, 06:18 AM
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Yes. This a new/recent frame though...at least I think it is. The lack of details from a quick search make it difficult to tell for sure. Seeming like a recent frame, I figured the clearance wouldn't be so tight.
