The Dutch invasion (or show us your DUTCH bikes)
01-15-09, 04:41 PM
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This one is borderline vintage. Seller said 1992, which is supported by a serial # ending in 92. The frame, labeled Gold Line Racing, appears to be basically new. No scratches, no chain whips, nothing. The components are mostly 74xx Dura-Ace, and run the gamut from mint to worn out. Included was a bike computer reading nearly 10000 km on the odometer.
The seller, which is a well known European bike author, claimed it was custom built of Reynolds 753 for a PDM team mechanic, but the frame has no tubing decals. So an interesting mind game to figure it all out, but likely never will.
It is the youngest bike in my growing stable. I wanted to see what deep-V rims, dual pivot brakes and brifters are all about, so when I saw this Gazelle for a reasonable price I jumped on it. Carbon next?
The ride is interesting. It is amazing how they are all so different. This one has the shortest most compact rear triangle of any of my bikes, but also the longest toptube, 60cm. The result is a fast and swift accelerator that climbs effortlessly, but with a soft and wobbly front end. I haven't done any high speed descents on it yet, but I'm not sure if I look forward to it. Can barely ride it hands free without crashing! The wheel base is still a short 100cm.
Some efforts at finding out more about this model have been mostly unsuccessful. Any input?
The seller, which is a well known European bike author, claimed it was custom built of Reynolds 753 for a PDM team mechanic, but the frame has no tubing decals. So an interesting mind game to figure it all out, but likely never will.
It is the youngest bike in my growing stable. I wanted to see what deep-V rims, dual pivot brakes and brifters are all about, so when I saw this Gazelle for a reasonable price I jumped on it. Carbon next?
The ride is interesting. It is amazing how they are all so different. This one has the shortest most compact rear triangle of any of my bikes, but also the longest toptube, 60cm. The result is a fast and swift accelerator that climbs effortlessly, but with a soft and wobbly front end. I haven't done any high speed descents on it yet, but I'm not sure if I look forward to it. Can barely ride it hands free without crashing! The wheel base is still a short 100cm.
Some efforts at finding out more about this model have been mostly unsuccessful. Any input?
You'll soon have two Gazelles.
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01-18-09, 02:21 PM
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Still have no better pics of my Zieleman, all in pieces, with parts being re-chromed, others being polished with elbows.
I posted here with pics (trouble with host this morning):
https://wwww.bikeforums.net/showthrea...light=zieleman
Will set up with freshly polished components and leave used look under some clearcoat in the next little while.
I posted here with pics (trouble with host this morning):
https://wwww.bikeforums.net/showthrea...light=zieleman
Will set up with freshly polished components and leave used look under some clearcoat in the next little while.
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01-19-09, 09:53 AM
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36him,
where is your Zieleman's serial number? I've not heard of any having serial numbers before.
so, other than that what have you done with the bike?
Marty
where is your Zieleman's serial number? I've not heard of any having serial numbers before.
so, other than that what have you done with the bike?
Marty
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01-19-09, 10:52 AM
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Oh, man -- this is not what I expected when I opened up on Dutch bikes.
Some fine looking rides. I want a Gazelle!
I have to say, the old Dura-Ace cranks have much more style than the new.
Some fine looking rides. I want a Gazelle!
I have to say, the old Dura-Ace cranks have much more style than the new.
01-20-09, 09:15 AM
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and a Bontecoe, Joco, and Jabo while we're at it.
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01-21-09, 02:44 AM
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I've not seen another Zieleman in the flesh, thought it'd've been standard?
Been in and out of Sydney since getting it, almost ready(?) to roll out of 'the factory' though!
03-24-09, 03:18 PM
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Here's my Batavus Professional - recently rebuilt with Dura Ace 7400 and some Shimano 600.
Campy Zonda wheels (8sp)
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/whophil/3383434338/)
Campy Zonda wheels (8sp)
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/whophil/3383434338/)
04-25-09, 06:45 AM
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Possibly you recall this one >>>
I now got pics of two other Zieleman frames/projects I have, a roadbike and a mountainbike(!)
The Type Special roadbike I got with full Nuovo Record in very good shape. The bike was used, but not abused. One day I will have it completey rebuilt with Nuovo Record.
1982 vintage I suppose. It is a gorgeous frame ...not in the last place because of its gloss red colour. The craftmanship is something you will appreciate when you look more closely.
Tubing is by Columbus (probably SL or SP), dropouts are by Campagnolo and lugs are by Cinelli. Or at least I am quite sure on the later, but 100%. Let me know if you are of another opinion.
Detail: The "Zieleman" on top the stays it is made by the younger Ko Zieleman, the son. "KZ" (like on my black one) denotes the old KZ.
Of course the frame has a typical Dutch criterium style geometry. Makes a very fast bike.
I now got pics of two other Zieleman frames/projects I have, a roadbike and a mountainbike(!)
The Type Special roadbike I got with full Nuovo Record in very good shape. The bike was used, but not abused. One day I will have it completey rebuilt with Nuovo Record.
1982 vintage I suppose. It is a gorgeous frame ...not in the last place because of its gloss red colour. The craftmanship is something you will appreciate when you look more closely.
Tubing is by Columbus (probably SL or SP), dropouts are by Campagnolo and lugs are by Cinelli. Or at least I am quite sure on the later, but 100%. Let me know if you are of another opinion.
Detail: The "Zieleman" on top the stays it is made by the younger Ko Zieleman, the son. "KZ" (like on my black one) denotes the old KZ.
Of course the frame has a typical Dutch criterium style geometry. Makes a very fast bike.
04-27-09, 03:32 AM
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Of course the frame has a typical Dutch criterium style geometry. Makes a very fast bike.
Just cuirous.
04-28-09, 11:39 AM
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my small collection of dutch/japanese bikes...hope they count as dutch as well...the Granwinner had to go to make space for the Fullpro...not shure if that was a good choice...the bronze-colour was really special I think
04-28-09, 01:55 PM
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04-28-09, 02:00 PM
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I have a weak spot for Koga Miyatas (and Miyatas in general). The FullPro isn't missing in my little stable. Personally I tend to qualify them as Japanese bike. Japan made frame. It are the Dutch who kinda compose the full bike, the brand and its position in the market.
04-28-09, 03:04 PM
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So corners is what its all about, braking (or rather not) and sprinting out of corners.
Besides the agility and the short toptube, there's the bottom bracket height (distance between floor and centre of bottom bracket, preferably measured with tubulars of course). As I remember it, the normal bb height would be about 268 mm, and criterium height 275 mm. When I ordered a custom frame in 1981, LBS shop owner Teun Visser called it 'Gazelle height'.
Not all Dutch race frames have that height though, I'm not even sure all Gazelles have that height!
In the early 80s the Van Herwerden bikeshop had a raceframe aptly called 'Criterium', with an even higher bb height. Made for pedalling through corners, assumed to give you quite an advantage. I'm not sure that was a really stable frame in a straight line though ... Maybe thats why guys that rode that frame always were out in front, giving a 110%, eyeballs out ... no time to relax ..
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04-29-09, 07:27 AM
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what's Dutch Criterium geometry?
It's my Jan de Reus, which has a sweet ride, corners like its on rails and
will try to dump me on my ass anytime I'm riding no handed. Sort of like
saying 'HEY, pay attention stupid!) .
Of all my dutch bikes this is the only one that rides like that, the others are very stable,
good over the cobbles bikes.
Marty
It's my Jan de Reus, which has a sweet ride, corners like its on rails and
will try to dump me on my ass anytime I'm riding no handed. Sort of like
saying 'HEY, pay attention stupid!) .
Of all my dutch bikes this is the only one that rides like that, the others are very stable,
good over the cobbles bikes.
Marty
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My Zieleman:
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06-28-09, 10:55 AM
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Quite much alike cid499's one >>
My newly acquired Batavus Professional
Thursday on my little cycling trip I passed a tiny local bicycle shop. The shop has only very high end MTB and roadframes and parts. The shopowner builds according to your specs. Anyway, he had this Batavus Professional just traded in. Specced with Super Record and looked tidy to me. Said the shopowner I had to let my mind go on the matter and I thanked him for showing it to me. He had to pull the bike from behind a dozen other bikes. The shop is that small that all occasions move outside every day.
Friday I got back and bought it
I am excited. It is very light, in particular considering it's steel and 60cm high. Tubing is Columbus, SL or SLX. I'll have to verify that. Year I believe 1987.
As you see most of the parts is final edition Super Record. I think brake levers are Cobaltos or early c-Record without Qr. Friction shifters are c-Record.
I think I will, like with all my new bike, take it in pieces, service everything and put it all back together. I think there will also be put more c-Record in the equation: I do have Deltas and high flange hub examples that would be excellent for this build.
My newly acquired Batavus Professional
Thursday on my little cycling trip I passed a tiny local bicycle shop. The shop has only very high end MTB and roadframes and parts. The shopowner builds according to your specs. Anyway, he had this Batavus Professional just traded in. Specced with Super Record and looked tidy to me. Said the shopowner I had to let my mind go on the matter and I thanked him for showing it to me. He had to pull the bike from behind a dozen other bikes. The shop is that small that all occasions move outside every day.
Friday I got back and bought it
I am excited. It is very light, in particular considering it's steel and 60cm high. Tubing is Columbus, SL or SLX. I'll have to verify that. Year I believe 1987. As you see most of the parts is final edition Super Record. I think brake levers are Cobaltos or early c-Record without Qr. Friction shifters are c-Record.
I think I will, like with all my new bike, take it in pieces, service everything and put it all back together. I think there will also be put more c-Record in the equation: I do have Deltas and high flange hub examples that would be excellent for this build.
06-28-09, 03:32 PM
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je weet ze wel weer te vinden zeg
nog een zacht prijsje ook?
in English: nice rides!
nog een zacht prijsje ook?
in English: nice rides!
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Bonza scoots Fair Dinkum ! --- in Australian: nice rides !
07-01-09, 02:07 PM
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More pics:
Clearly visable are the final edition Super Record cranks. The bike is stripped now and I can tell the cranks are very light. Way lighter than c-Record examples. I also think they are superior in construction compared to earlier NR/SR cranks. Those were relatively prone to cracking. On the back of this final ed SR crank you can see less machining at slightly more material added at strategic places.
Batavus headbadge >
The callipers will make place for Deltas. Finally got a project to use them on
A fade. Popular in the 2nd half of the eighties >
Lug detail and c-Record downtube shifers >
The shifters are not symetrical. The right/rear one seems to have
a kind of mechanism in it, but it is absolutely not a Syncro shifter.
I hope you like.
Clearly visable are the final edition Super Record cranks. The bike is stripped now and I can tell the cranks are very light. Way lighter than c-Record examples. I also think they are superior in construction compared to earlier NR/SR cranks. Those were relatively prone to cracking. On the back of this final ed SR crank you can see less machining at slightly more material added at strategic places.
Batavus headbadge >
The callipers will make place for Deltas. Finally got a project to use them on
A fade. Popular in the 2nd half of the eighties >
Lug detail and c-Record downtube shifers >
The shifters are not symetrical. The right/rear one seems to have
a kind of mechanism in it, but it is absolutely not a Syncro shifter.
I hope you like.
04-13-10, 01:07 PM
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@jan: I don not know, but think that the serial ending #92 does not imply that the production was in 1992. It is just a coincidence, I have not heard that the production of a gazelle is estimate by the last two numbers.
I got a Gold Line too and wonder if my racer was built in 1926 cause thats what the last two numbers are
If anyone could support more information would be nice. I was writing Gazelle but there seem not to care. So I call them then tomorow.
regards
Dice
I got a Gold Line too and wonder if my racer was built in 1926 cause thats what the last two numbers are
If anyone could support more information would be nice. I was writing Gazelle but there seem not to care. So I call them then tomorow.
regards
Dice
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