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Putting aside the feelings this has stirred, I do find it interesting that as a society we have tended to identify perpetrators by race, except if they're "white." More so in the past IMO. I am not implying any overt racism. For example, I don't recall the Newtown school shooter (Adam Lanza) being identified as white. In fact, all the school shootings I recall (as well as other public mass shootings) were committed by white males. If you are a member of an other than white "race" I can see where this would seem pretty unfair. If mentioning race as a description is reasonable (I would argue it is in a report to law enforcement), why not mention white perpetrators. Just to be clear, I am not directing my comments toward the OP or anyone else here. I am asking why society (which is all of us) does what it does and what, if any, are the implications.
No offense meant, this thread was barely relevant in a bicycle forum when it started, not your fault it went completely sideways.
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I'll just leave it at the observation that forming intent requires certain capabilities a person might lack.
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No, wrong again. I gave an accurate and honest description of exactly what happened. You have no right to assume what my motives were. That is you're assumption based on no logic or reasoning. Do not inflict your PC Mentality on me. That is your problem. I have found that people who occupy your position are indeed the Racists with their Patronizing Attitude.
BTW...Which race(s) am I racist towards?
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I didn't see the thread as pointless. I thought the OP was relating an experience he saw as disturbing and asking what he might have done differently. I also understand why some would question the inclusion of race. I specifically chose not to mention the race of the perp who murdered someone on a rail/trail by my house (he happened to be white) because I didn't see it as relevant in a post on this forum. And, I do agree that this has taken over the thread. OTOH, if we can have a discussion about something that elevates our understanding of a significant issue and do it in a respectful way, I'm OK with that. Whether this is the appropriate place to do that I leave to others.
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Let's see ... data on crime is presented and disbelieved. A suggestion that the OP wouldn't have written '3 white kids' is ignored. I suggest taking a look at: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html.
In Illinois, I believe it would be classified as 'assault and battery,' not assault. Assault happens when the victim feels threatened. You were actually hit - battered. It's definitely a matter for a police report.
I understand that crime statistics mean nothing to a person who was a victim of a crime. I'm very sorry you experienced this.
In Illinois, I believe it would be classified as 'assault and battery,' not assault. Assault happens when the victim feels threatened. You were actually hit - battered. It's definitely a matter for a police report.
I understand that crime statistics mean nothing to a person who was a victim of a crime. I'm very sorry you experienced this.
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I didn't see the thread as pointless. I thought the OP was relating an experience he saw as disturbing and asking what he might have done differently. I also understand why some would question the inclusion of race. I specifically chose not to mention the race of the perp who murdered someone on a rail/trail by my house (he happened to be white) because I didn't see it as relevant in a post on this forum. And, I do agree that this has taken over the thread. OTOH, if we can have a discussion about something that elevates our understanding of a significant issue and do it in a respectful way, I'm OK with that. Whether this is the appropriate place to do that I leave to others.
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You mentioned race in your original OP (since edited), That inclusion wasn't an accident on the part of you or a keyboard-walking cat. But race never crossed your mind when composing the OP. Got it now! Thanks for clearing that up. Now if you will excuse me, I need to return a voice mail from some guy who is trying to interest me in a slightly used bridge in Brooklyn. Sounds like a good deal.
BTW...Which race(s) am I racist towards?
BTW...Which race(s) am I racist towards?
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Be smart. Change your route. Try to avoid confrontation. Getting the police involved is one option but I doubt they can do anything about poor parenting. Nowaday kids think they're above the law (and they are), if you so much as touch them, they'll go crying to the police to play the victim.
Not only that that, people from rough backgrounds often have big families. Whether they're black, hispanic or gypsy, the mentality is the same. Before you know it, you'll have brothers, cousins and uncles on your doorstep causing a ruckuss, or worse.... Don't **** with these people, there's no telling what they might do if you trip their wire.
I know that this sounds like bowing to the bully but that's the wisest thing you can do. Change your route and move along....
And don't think too badly of these people would be my advice, they're at a disadvantage really. Most of them will wind up dead or in prison before they reach adulthood. It's not your job to reform them, attempts of that sort are rarely successful.
Natural selection will take care of them, but you need to take care for yourself.
God bless, Kret
Not only that that, people from rough backgrounds often have big families. Whether they're black, hispanic or gypsy, the mentality is the same. Before you know it, you'll have brothers, cousins and uncles on your doorstep causing a ruckuss, or worse.... Don't **** with these people, there's no telling what they might do if you trip their wire.
I know that this sounds like bowing to the bully but that's the wisest thing you can do. Change your route and move along....
And don't think too badly of these people would be my advice, they're at a disadvantage really. Most of them will wind up dead or in prison before they reach adulthood. It's not your job to reform them, attempts of that sort are rarely successful.
Natural selection will take care of them, but you need to take care for yourself.
God bless, Kret
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Oh and ignore the morons still arguing over the race thing. It was an irrelevant detail imo but so is the discussion so please end it all of you and try to give the OP a constructive response.
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Did you report the incident to the police?
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Be smart. Change your route. Try to avoid confrontation. Getting the police involved is one option but I doubt they can do anything about poor parenting. Nowaday kids think they're above the law (and they are), if you so much as touch them, they'll go crying to the police to play the victim.
Not only that that, people from rough backgrounds often have big families. Whether they're black, hispanic or gypsy, the mentality is the same. Before you know it, you'll have brothers, cousins and uncles on your doorstep causing a ruckuss, or worse.... Don't **** with these people, there's no telling what they might do if you trip their wire.
I know that this sounds like bowing to the bully but that's the wisest thing you can do. Change your route and move along....
And don't think too badly of these people would be my advice, they're at a disadvantage really. Most of them will wind up dead or in prison before they reach adulthood. It's not your job to reform them, attempts of that sort are rarely successful.
Natural selection will take care of them, but you need to take care for yourself.
God bless, Kret
Not only that that, people from rough backgrounds often have big families. Whether they're black, hispanic or gypsy, the mentality is the same. Before you know it, you'll have brothers, cousins and uncles on your doorstep causing a ruckuss, or worse.... Don't **** with these people, there's no telling what they might do if you trip their wire.
I know that this sounds like bowing to the bully but that's the wisest thing you can do. Change your route and move along....
And don't think too badly of these people would be my advice, they're at a disadvantage really. Most of them will wind up dead or in prison before they reach adulthood. It's not your job to reform them, attempts of that sort are rarely successful.
Natural selection will take care of them, but you need to take care for yourself.
God bless, Kret
You are absolutely right, I intend to avoid and most importantly ignore these individuals and let them seek their own level on their own. But I worried about what if I can not ignore them. What do I do then. That was the entire reason for the Originsl Post. Until someone decided to condemn it as Racist for giving an accurate description when there was no intent. High jacking the whole discussion and ignoring the point.
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Fix your drivetrain and let em eat dust.
Seriously tho, not a good idea to ignore. Aggrevates people even more. Try to avoid, not ignore. And yh, get that drivetrain sorted so if you see them next time, you can bolt.
Seriously tho, not a good idea to ignore. Aggrevates people even more. Try to avoid, not ignore. And yh, get that drivetrain sorted so if you see them next time, you can bolt.
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I ordered Chain Ring last night. Everyone putting me down because I am using Biopace. But I kinda like them. I hope this wasn't too Racist.
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Well, we'll never actually know, but I'd bet money he wouldn't have written "3 white kids" if that had been the case.
Honesty is definitely not doing as the OP did--bringing up the race of the perpetrators, then acting shocked that people thought he brought up the race of the perpetrators. I wouldn't have said anything about it if he hadn't been so disingenuous about that.
Honesty is definitely not doing as the OP did--bringing up the race of the perpetrators, then acting shocked that people thought he brought up the race of the perpetrators. I wouldn't have said anything about it if he hadn't been so disingenuous about that.
Let us expand on the proper way to report bicycling incidents on BF.
If for example, I/you/someone posted "Three white middle-aged dudes wearing cowboy hats and tattoos in a pickup truck threw beer cans at me and called me vulgar names" or "A suburban soccer mom in an SUV cut me off and called me vulgar names as she blew the horn at me."
What would you bet that the upstanding citizens of BF would NOT get immediately bent out of shape and hijack the thread with moralizing about the irrelevance of specifying, the race, age, or appearance of the perpetrators, or the type of vehicle etc.?
There are numerous posts on BF that include ranting all sorts of derogatory and insulting generalizations and stereotypes concerning the mental processes and anti-social behavior of pickup truck drivers, SUV drivers, soccer moms, non-urban residents and almost anybody who uses a motor vehicle instead of, or in the vicinity of bicyclists.
Don't recall seeing much instant heartburn of the PC types over such posts.
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