Show Us Your 650B Conversions
#651
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Wow, no posts in this thread since November 2018!
Kind of surprised since (for me at least) winter seems to bring out the urge to fiddle with bikes that were perfectly fine before
Here's my latest:
1981 Trek 716
Velocity A23 36 hole polished rims
Shimano 600EX hubs
Compass/Rene Herse Loup-Loup Pass 650Bx38 extralight
Sun XCD crankset / Velo Orange 46/30 chainrings
Shimano 600EX FD/RD/Brake Levers
Tektro R559 brakes
Velo Orange "Model 6" saddle
Acorn Tall Rando Bag / Velo Orange "Randonneur" Rack & Decaleur
I rode this bike for the first time in this configuration on a 106km RUSA Permanent through Ogle and Dekalb counties on Saturday. Maybe a bold decision to launch out on a big ride after making so many big changes, but it worked out perfectly
I have done a conversion before on a 1985 Schwinn Tempo that worked okay, but this bike just feels right with 650B wheels. Full 531DB frameset and super supple tires made for such a smooth ride, I was blown away. At one point on the route, I was riding along the shoulder of a highway with full-width rumble strips across the whole 7 foot shoulder, each section about 5 feet long with serrations cut into the pavement about an inch deep, and I could barely feel them as I rode over. It was really something special to feel.
Super happy with how this build turned out. Currently I'm switching things over to Campagnolo Mirage 8 speed ergos shifting across a Shimano 7 speed rear cassette, but even now it's a super capable, super comfortable long-distance machine.
I'm super excited to stretch its legs over the upcoming randonneuring season.
Kind of surprised since (for me at least) winter seems to bring out the urge to fiddle with bikes that were perfectly fine before
Here's my latest:
1981 Trek 716
Velocity A23 36 hole polished rims
Shimano 600EX hubs
Compass/Rene Herse Loup-Loup Pass 650Bx38 extralight
Sun XCD crankset / Velo Orange 46/30 chainrings
Shimano 600EX FD/RD/Brake Levers
Tektro R559 brakes
Velo Orange "Model 6" saddle
Acorn Tall Rando Bag / Velo Orange "Randonneur" Rack & Decaleur
I rode this bike for the first time in this configuration on a 106km RUSA Permanent through Ogle and Dekalb counties on Saturday. Maybe a bold decision to launch out on a big ride after making so many big changes, but it worked out perfectly
I have done a conversion before on a 1985 Schwinn Tempo that worked okay, but this bike just feels right with 650B wheels. Full 531DB frameset and super supple tires made for such a smooth ride, I was blown away. At one point on the route, I was riding along the shoulder of a highway with full-width rumble strips across the whole 7 foot shoulder, each section about 5 feet long with serrations cut into the pavement about an inch deep, and I could barely feel them as I rode over. It was really something special to feel.
Super happy with how this build turned out. Currently I'm switching things over to Campagnolo Mirage 8 speed ergos shifting across a Shimano 7 speed rear cassette, but even now it's a super capable, super comfortable long-distance machine.
I'm super excited to stretch its legs over the upcoming randonneuring season.
I just ordered a wide-rimmed 26" wheel set and am going to try the Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass tires on an 'adventure' bike.
Have fun on your new ride!
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+1, that looks great @abshipp. Got any plans for fenders?
Apart from playing around with a new bottle cage (for an insulated 40oz bottle), I don't have much to report on mine this winter. I daresay that it has reached a pretty high level of maturity, unlike its rider.
Apart from playing around with a new bottle cage (for an insulated 40oz bottle), I don't have much to report on mine this winter. I daresay that it has reached a pretty high level of maturity, unlike its rider.
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Looks sharp! You made many good component choices IMO - starting with the Trek 716. I'd like to know more about your opinions on the model 6 saddle, the Velocity A23's (did you build the wheels yourself?), the VO 46/30 crank, and the Loup Loups (tubed or tubeless?).
I just ordered a wide-rimmed 26" wheel set and am going to try the Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass tires on an 'adventure' bike.
Have fun on your new ride!
I just ordered a wide-rimmed 26" wheel set and am going to try the Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass tires on an 'adventure' bike.
Have fun on your new ride!
RE: Model 6. I've got around 200 miles on this saddle so far. It's starting to get really comfortable. As you can see, I don't have a super aggressive position on this bike, but the shape really seems to agree with me. Several times on Saturday's ride I really stopped thinking about it, which is a first for a saddle for me. Fit and finish are excellent, I'm tempted to pick up another. The only one remaining in stock at Velo Orange is the "Honey", and it is currently on sale at a deep discount at Velo Orange due to them discontinuing the line.
RE: A23. I built this wheelset from the original 600EX hubs from the Trek, and the rims were brand new. Rear is the offset version. This is only the second wheelset I've built, and it went very smoothly. It's pretty simple to get straight wheels when you start out with straight rims Built with DT-Swiss 1.8/2.0 spokes.
One thing that I noticed is that the braking performance isn't quite what I expected. It seems to be a bit lacking, but maybe once the braking track wears in then performance will start to improve. Definitely not a deal-breaker, but I also don't ride anywhere with huge descents.
RE: Crankset. This set is actually Sun XCD crankarms with VO chainrings, although I'm pretty sure that the Velo Orange cranks are exactly the same, just rebranded. No issues so far, and front shifting is excellent with the ramped and pinned chainrings. Aesthetically they aren't quite as nice as a nice cold forged set (these are CNC-machined), but they are quite nice. No regrets in purchasing them at all.
RE: Loup-Loups. EXCELLENT. I've ridden Pari-Motos quite a bit in the same size, but these are just amazingly comfortable. Running tubes, with no intentions of going tubeless. I was a little on the fence about the value of having $160 worth of rubber, but I'm sold.
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+1, that looks great @abshipp. Got any plans for fenders?
Apart from playing around with a new bottle cage (for an insulated 40oz bottle), I don't have much to report on mine this winter. I daresay that it has reached a pretty high level of maturity, unlike its rider.
Apart from playing around with a new bottle cage (for an insulated 40oz bottle), I don't have much to report on mine this winter. I daresay that it has reached a pretty high level of maturity, unlike its rider.
Fenders are in the future, and I'm considering going for the full French rando treatment. The biggest change I had been planning to make was having the fork re-raked, but to be honest it behaves really well with a front bag. I was quite surprised.
Otherwise, I want another set or two of bottle bosses, some proper fork mounts for the rack (I HATE p-clips), and if I'm feeling fancy I might have some canti studs brazed on. That would solve the rack mount issues as well. Oh, and new paint. It's definitely at least a 15 footer at the moment
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Very nice, @abshipp! I love my 710 as well. Now you need a dynohub, lights, fenders... it never ends...
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Very nice, @abshipp! I love my 710 as well. Now you need a dynohub, lights, fenders... it never ends...
I put the aforementioned Campy 8 speed ergos on a couple of days ago.
Filed away a 13-28 7 speed hyperglide cassette to fit on the old 600EX hub, but I have a duplicate 14T smallest cog due to my lockring. So right now I've got 8 speed Campy shifting a 6 speed cassette, spaced to 7 speed
And it works pretty well! I'll probably pick up a 13T Uniglide threaded cog sometime in the future to eliminate the redundancy, but it doesn't really bother me too much right now.
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I was thinking about building a dedicated trainer bike and stop abusing the poor Centurion Semi-pro that's on there now. Never thought that it would work as a 650b bike. I have a set of 650b wheels that need a bike to go on.
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'80s Mikkelsen Road Special 650b conversion, with bologna-skin Pacenti Pari-Moto 650Bx38s and ultralight Schwalbe tubes. I was planning on selling the frameset, but wanted to try 650b on it first just to see how it worked out, and because 650b tires fit the chainstay dimples much better than 700c. I avoided riding it for months because I was afraid I'd want to keep it after riding it. Oh yeah, and winter. Turned out to be a really sweet ride, a heady combination of sporty, dialed-in handling and smooth comfort. I used mostly parts I had around, as a 1x10 wiith a downtube shifter. First dt shifter setup I've built in quite a few years, luckily my muscle memory still worked and I could shift. Also the first 650b conversion I've done in a while, not counting modern modern disc-brake machines that are designed to be swappable.
I used Tektro 559 calipers, I've used 'em before on 650b conversions and they definitely work, but I usually go for Paul Racer M or Racers, depending on reach, for the stiffer arms/pivots.
Will probably sell this as a frameset, and move the wheels and some parts to a more vintage build.
I used Tektro 559 calipers, I've used 'em before on 650b conversions and they definitely work, but I usually go for Paul Racer M or Racers, depending on reach, for the stiffer arms/pivots.
Will probably sell this as a frameset, and move the wheels and some parts to a more vintage build.
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Thanks!
Fenders are in the future, and I'm considering going for the full French rando treatment. The biggest change I had been planning to make was having the fork re-raked, but to be honest it behaves really well with a front bag. I was quite surprised.
Otherwise, I want another set or two of bottle bosses, some proper fork mounts for the rack (I HATE p-clips), and if I'm feeling fancy I might have some canti studs brazed on. That would solve the rack mount issues as well. Oh, and new paint. It's definitely at least a 15 footer at the moment
Fenders are in the future, and I'm considering going for the full French rando treatment. The biggest change I had been planning to make was having the fork re-raked, but to be honest it behaves really well with a front bag. I was quite surprised.
Otherwise, I want another set or two of bottle bosses, some proper fork mounts for the rack (I HATE p-clips), and if I'm feeling fancy I might have some canti studs brazed on. That would solve the rack mount issues as well. Oh, and new paint. It's definitely at least a 15 footer at the moment
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My initial response would be yes. However, I don't know how much of that is placebo since I know that I'm rolling on tires that are supposed to be really, really, really good.
Pari-Motos are a good tire, don't get me wrong. I wouldn't hesitate to use them if I was looking for a nice lightweight tire but didn't want to spend Compass/Rene Herse money. Lots of people complain that they are flat magnets, but I haven't had any issues in 500 or so miles I've ridden them.
But I just don't get flats around here, ever, so YMMV
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I'm riding Paris Motos right now on two bikes. I paid $18 for one pair (38mm) and got the others (42mm) with a set of wheels. They are fantastic ! No flats yet- and I ride on all kinds of unpaved terrain with them, as well as some urban riding. I just can't imagine the compass tires could be much better. But maybe they are...
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Having ridden the two, I like them both. I like the LLP for it's durability, but would get the EL for added suppleness. The PM is more of an "event tire" that won't last as long, but will still give you that oh-so-supple ride.
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They have a different casing, and the PM's have much thinner tread, so shorter lifespan.
Having ridden the two, I like them both. I like the LLP for it's durability, but would get the EL for added suppleness. The PM is more of an "event tire" that won't last as long, but will still give you that oh-so-supple ride.
Having ridden the two, I like them both. I like the LLP for it's durability, but would get the EL for added suppleness. The PM is more of an "event tire" that won't last as long, but will still give you that oh-so-supple ride.
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Wow, no posts in this thread since November 2018!
Kind of surprised since (for me at least) winter seems to bring out the urge to fiddle with bikes that were perfectly fine before
Here's my latest:
1981 Trek 716
Velocity A23 36 hole polished rims
Shimano 600EX hubs
Compass/Rene Herse Loup-Loup Pass 650Bx38 extralight
Sun XCD crankset / Velo Orange 46/30 chainrings
Shimano 600EX FD/RD/Brake Levers
Tektro R559 brakes
Velo Orange "Model 6" saddle
Acorn Tall Rando Bag / Velo Orange "Randonneur" Rack & Decaleur
I rode this bike for the first time in this configuration on a 106km RUSA Permanent through Ogle and Dekalb counties on Saturday. Maybe a bold decision to launch out on a big ride after making so many big changes, but it worked out perfectly
I have done a conversion before on a 1985 Schwinn Tempo that worked okay, but this bike just feels right with 650B wheels. Full 531DB frameset and super supple tires made for such a smooth ride, I was blown away. At one point on the route, I was riding along the shoulder of a highway with full-width rumble strips across the whole 7 foot shoulder, each section about 5 feet long with serrations cut into the pavement about an inch deep, and I could barely feel them as I rode over. It was really something special to feel.
Super happy with how this build turned out. Currently I'm switching things over to Campagnolo Mirage 8 speed ergos shifting across a Shimano 7 speed rear cassette, but even now it's a super capable, super comfortable long-distance machine.
I'm super excited to stretch its legs over the upcoming randonneuring season.
Kind of surprised since (for me at least) winter seems to bring out the urge to fiddle with bikes that were perfectly fine before
Here's my latest:
1981 Trek 716
Velocity A23 36 hole polished rims
Shimano 600EX hubs
Compass/Rene Herse Loup-Loup Pass 650Bx38 extralight
Sun XCD crankset / Velo Orange 46/30 chainrings
Shimano 600EX FD/RD/Brake Levers
Tektro R559 brakes
Velo Orange "Model 6" saddle
Acorn Tall Rando Bag / Velo Orange "Randonneur" Rack & Decaleur
I rode this bike for the first time in this configuration on a 106km RUSA Permanent through Ogle and Dekalb counties on Saturday. Maybe a bold decision to launch out on a big ride after making so many big changes, but it worked out perfectly
I have done a conversion before on a 1985 Schwinn Tempo that worked okay, but this bike just feels right with 650B wheels. Full 531DB frameset and super supple tires made for such a smooth ride, I was blown away. At one point on the route, I was riding along the shoulder of a highway with full-width rumble strips across the whole 7 foot shoulder, each section about 5 feet long with serrations cut into the pavement about an inch deep, and I could barely feel them as I rode over. It was really something special to feel.
Super happy with how this build turned out. Currently I'm switching things over to Campagnolo Mirage 8 speed ergos shifting across a Shimano 7 speed rear cassette, but even now it's a super capable, super comfortable long-distance machine.
I'm super excited to stretch its legs over the upcoming randonneuring season.
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This thread needs another Trek like I need a bonus face hole, so here’s mine before I head off to the piercer.
1982 Trek 412 25.5”
I’d been riding this frame with 700x32 for about a year when I spotted a Surly Steamroller at Goodwill that some weirdo had turned into a 650b fixed gear. I figured the Pacenti PL23 rims and the old, but visibly unridden, Compass Babyshoe Pass 650x42 tires alone were worth the $25 asking price, the rest of the Surly went on eBay or to the co-op.
I laced the rims to some XT hubs from the co-op parts bin. I haven’t swapped the freehub on the m732 rear, so it’s currently setup as a 8 of 9 on 7, shifted by 9 speed bar ends. The front wheel is laced 2x because I reused the nice double butted spokes and they weren’t long enough for 3x on the low flange hub m737.
Brakes are Dia Compe 750 center pulls. This frame originally wore 27” wheels, so I need every mm of reach I can get, especially in the front. Plus side, 42s fit with ample room for fenders.
The rest of the cast is the usual suspects, Sugino XD2 triple, Nitto technomic stem and noodle bars. Berthoud saddle, etc.
1982 Trek 412 25.5”
I’d been riding this frame with 700x32 for about a year when I spotted a Surly Steamroller at Goodwill that some weirdo had turned into a 650b fixed gear. I figured the Pacenti PL23 rims and the old, but visibly unridden, Compass Babyshoe Pass 650x42 tires alone were worth the $25 asking price, the rest of the Surly went on eBay or to the co-op.
I laced the rims to some XT hubs from the co-op parts bin. I haven’t swapped the freehub on the m732 rear, so it’s currently setup as a 8 of 9 on 7, shifted by 9 speed bar ends. The front wheel is laced 2x because I reused the nice double butted spokes and they weren’t long enough for 3x on the low flange hub m737.
Brakes are Dia Compe 750 center pulls. This frame originally wore 27” wheels, so I need every mm of reach I can get, especially in the front. Plus side, 42s fit with ample room for fenders.
The rest of the cast is the usual suspects, Sugino XD2 triple, Nitto technomic stem and noodle bars. Berthoud saddle, etc.
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$25 for a set of Pacenti rims with Compass tires - plus a Surly bike! Great find - and put to good use modifying your 412.
I'll never get tired of seeing 650b Treks - you've got a beaut. 42's with room for fenders - very nice - and I like that front rack.
Good to see the 650b conversion thing is still alive.
I'll never get tired of seeing 650b Treks - you've got a beaut. 42's with room for fenders - very nice - and I like that front rack.
Good to see the 650b conversion thing is still alive.
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Here is my Lemond conversion. It rides great, but there is only 1mm of clearance at the chain stays. The 38mm tires might stretch, and I wish for even wider tires, so maybe this isn't the bike for a conversion. But I've ridden it for quite a while already, and so far, so good.
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i don't see a picture....
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As shared in a different thread. Bernard Carré frame tarted up as a Sauvage-Lejeune. Wheels and brakes courtesy of my tandem that does not get ridden. I may go back to the 47/34 or a 47/27 double on it. Fenders are a possibility, but they complicate transportation. Got some nicer tires for it also.
DSCN2596 by L Travers, on Flickr
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Here is my Lemond conversion. It rides great, but there is only 1mm of clearance at the chain stays. The 38mm tires might stretch, and I wish for even wider tires, so maybe this isn't the bike for a conversion. But I've ridden it for quite a while already, and so far, so good.
Does this picture display?
Does this picture display?
I was poking around Flickr a while back, and apparently there was once a short run of Velocity Aero in 650B. A narrow rim like that was just the thing to pull in a fat tire for a bike with tight clearances.
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