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Old 10-31-19, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
For sure treating people like equals is confused and muddled.
Which may be what you meant, but not what you said. And also not what the discussion is about. Maybe you should start another thread about the many levels of equality. For now, consider this:

Is a homeless person equal to an MD? What about if you're very, very, sick?



(A rhetorical question btw.)
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Old 10-31-19, 09:10 PM
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I live by a quote from the movie Full Metal Jacket: There is no such thing as racial prejudice because we are equally as worthless.

Heavy Metal band Slipknot: Humans = s***.

Thrash Metal band Slayer: Stricken to live, Hell on Earth
Shackled and bound we lie
Praise of Death life's a dream
We're only living to die.

Several quotes from Monty Python

Yes Sir and Yes Ma’am...

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Old 10-31-19, 09:49 PM
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By the English writer Charles Dickens (1812-1870)
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Which may be what you meant, but not what you said. And also not what the discussion is about. Maybe you should start another thread about the many levels of equality. For now, consider this:

Is a homeless person equal to an MD? What about if you're very, very, sick?



(A rhetorical question btw.)
You're supposed to kick them when you walk by, to show your superiority.
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Old 10-31-19, 10:25 PM
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You find the homeless and you create bum fights. You place a wager on which homeless person will win. That is how you show superiority in our twisted society.
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Old 11-01-19, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Is a homeless person equal to an MD?
So far you've told us we're all superior to children, homeless people, wait staff, people working retail, and probably others I'm forgetting.

There's an old book about a Mexican guy named Jesus, who went around telling people "judge not," and getting people drunk, but nobody agrees with that guy.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
So far you've told us we're all superior to children, homeless people, wait staff, people working retail, and probably others I'm forgetting.

There's an old book about a Mexican guy named Jesus, who went around telling people "judge not," and getting people drunk, but nobody agrees with that guy.
Superior in function, not in form. I'm surprised you didn't learn that in school. Speaking of school, I'll bet you were that student that always tried to outsmart his teacher? Now I see what became of you.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Which may be what you meant, but not what you said. And also not what the discussion is about. Maybe you should start another thread about the many levels of equality. For now, consider this:

Is a homeless person equal to an MD? What about if you're very, very, sick?



(A rhetorical question btw.)
As a person they are equal... what you attaching value to is their knowledge and usefulness, at the moment.

That "useless" homeless person (your implication) could very useful if they are the one helping you out of a ditch on a dark and stormy night.

See how that works... would you then say "thank you, sir?"

To this thread, I will grant you that respect and gratitude are earned, and how one expresses those things is learned.

We don't all have the same upbringing, but as human beings, unless shown otherwise, we are all equals.
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Old 11-01-19, 10:56 AM
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Superior in function, not in form. I'm surprised you didn't learn that in school. Speaking of school, I'll bet you were that student that always tried to outsmart his teacher? Now I see what became of you.
lol, what became of me?
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Only if they would have given me a Pepsi.

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What it boils down to is that the terms "sir" and "ma'am" are not necessary in order to be polite. They are very much a regional/cultural thing.

However, I think that greeting (hello, good morning, etc.) and the addition of "please" and "thank you" are somewhat more universal ways to be polite.
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When I traveled to Canada to see Banff and Jasper NP. I studied what was considered polite or rude in Canada. Being close to Mexico I know what is considered polite. Just read up on the culture you will be visiting and if you have any sense you will be OK.
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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
What it boils down to is that the terms "sir" and "ma'am" are not necessary in order to be polite. They are very much a regional/cultural thing.

However, I think that greeting (hello, good morning, etc.) and the addition of "please" and "thank you" are somewhat more universal ways to be polite.
No my dear, these are two separate pairs of incompatible terms. The first are titles, used to address someone respectfully. The others are greetings and added words to lighten a command. The greetings are additions to and before the sir or ma'am.
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Originally Posted by Hondo Gravel View Post
Only if they would have given me a Pepsi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoF_a0-7xVQ
Of course, Pepsi...

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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
No my dear, these are two separate pairs of incompatible terms. The first are titles, used to address someone respectfully. The others are greetings and added words to lighten a command. The greetings are additions to and before the sir or ma'am.
They are very much a regional/cultural thing.
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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
What it boils down to is that the terms "sir" and "ma'am" are not necessary in order to be polite. They are very much a regional/cultural thing.

However, I think that greeting (hello, good morning, etc.) and the addition of "please" and "thank you" are somewhat more universal ways to be polite.
This is only valid for cultures like yours in which it is appropriate to use the names of the persons being addressed. In my culture, using one's name requires more than a hello and good morning. AFAIK, in Japanese culture, using one's name is very very rare. Even a couple years of an age gap requires the use of a special title like "big brother, big sister". Actually, most Asian cultures are similar. So basically, you can do whatever you want "in Australia", however, when you go to another country, you are culturally bound to use their own way of addressing one another.
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This is only valid for cultures like yours in which it is appropriate to use the names of the persons being addressed. In my culture, using one's name requires more than a hello and good morning. AFAIK, in Japanese culture, using one's name is very very rare. Even a couple years of an age gap requires the use of a special title like "big brother, big sister". Actually, most Asian cultures are similar. So basically, you can do whatever you want "in Australia", however, when you go to another country, you are culturally bound to use their own way of addressing one another.
For a short while I worked for Kyocera Wireless, we were instructed to attach "san" to the names of work leaders... So the director to whom I reported was "Fuji-san."

Honestly, from a western perspective, it was a terrible working environment... making us feel subservient to our "san" leadership, who themselves were subservient to the leadership in Japan... even the most minute engineering decisions went all the way back to Japan, and took 24 hours to resolve. It was a relationship made in hell for engineers taught to innovate and move quickly.
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Originally Posted by Newspaper_Nick View Post
This is only valid for cultures like yours in which it is appropriate to use the names of the persons being addressed. In my culture, using one's name requires more than a hello and good morning. AFAIK, in Japanese culture, using one's name is very very rare. Even a couple years of an age gap requires the use of a special title like "big brother, big sister". Actually, most Asian cultures are similar. So basically, you can do whatever you want "in Australia", however, when you go to another country, you are culturally bound to use their own way of addressing one another.
They are very much a regional/cultural thing.


Incidentally, if you don't know the name of the person or prefer not to use it, when someone asks if you'd like something, you can say, "Oh yes please!" or "Oh, no thanks". That's completely acceptable too. It works in the UK, Canada and Australia.

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You'd think not, but you sometimes get some students who think they can passive agressively insult you by using a title other than what you've earned. Usually, they're pretty obvious about what they're trying to do, and it's that obviousness that's annoying to me more than the fact that they don't respect the work it took to get that title.
That works the same way in healthcare too.
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I live by a quote from the movie Full Metal Jacket: There is no such thing as racial prejudice because we are equally as worthless.
One of my favorite quotes, from the Billy Bob Thornton movie School for Scoundrels: "You can't help yourself, because your self sucks"

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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Superior in function, not in form. I'm surprised you didn't learn that in school. Speaking of school, I'll bet you were that student that always tried to outsmart his teacher? Now I see what became of you.
The historic Westminster Larger Catechism uses the terms 'superiors' and 'inferiors', as in 'what are the honours inferiors owe their superiors?', but it's not talking about inherent worth, it's talking about offices that people inhabit that grant them superior authority, such as parent, teacher, employer, law enforcement officer, etc vs child, student, employee, citizen, etc. And there are responsibilities in the other direction as well.
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That works the same way in healthcare too.
I'm sort of confused with that because I recently got a new primary care provider and she's a nurse practitioner. What's the appropriate title to address her?
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I'm sort of confused with that because I recently got a new primary care provider and she's a nurse practitioner. What's the appropriate title to address her?
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That's, "Honey Buns, ma'am".
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Originally Posted by himespau View Post
I'm sort of confused with that because I recently got a new primary care provider and she's a nurse practitioner. What's the appropriate title to address her?
Nurse insert name here is the way I understand it.
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