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Campy Record QR Skewers- "Locked"

Old 11-27-19, 02:54 PM
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Campy Record QR Skewers- "Locked"

My circa 1984 Campagnolo Record hub skewers have "LOCKED" AND "UNLOCKED" on the levers. I have a crazy question: was this just an American-market thing? Are there the same era levers that don't have that on them (or have the markings in other languages)? I know it's really a bit of trivia, but I was curious. Thanks!

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Iíve only ever seen them with LOCKED and UNLOCKED. Perhaps Tullio thought only English speaking people required instructions.
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Originally Posted by P!N20 View Post
Iíve only ever seen them with LOCKED and UNLOCKED. Perhaps Tullio thought only English speaking people required instructions.
No. Just Americans.

Kidding aside, this does looks like a "lawyer" thing to me, which would indeed indicate an American market precautionary measure.
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It is rare that a manufacturer would make a country specific language marking on a part, especially on one that requires tooling, like the QR. It is just too hard to track inventory to get the right part to the right country.
When Campy did change things for the US market, like the curved QR levers, rounded brake QRs, covers for RD adjustment screws that came from US CPSC rules in the 70’s they did it globally. Bet when LOCKED was added to the QR, it happened everywhere.
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Thanks for all of the replies! I thought it might be universal, but wasn't sure.
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The "Locked" and "Unlocked" markings were a CPSC compliance change. Prior to about 1976, the QR levers were straight and not marked "Locked" or "Unlocked."
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I'm absolutely certain it was a "lawyer thing", aimed squarely at those with litigation-happy frames of mind here in the US of A

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I have a number of quick-release skewers that have CLOSE and Open on them.

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
I'm absolutely certain it was a "lawyer thing", aimed squarely at those with litigation-happy frames of mind here in the US of A

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Just like "lawyer lips" on fork ends, which take the "quick" out of "quick release." I even have them on my little grandson's BoB stroller!
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IIRC, my Mavic hubs have skewers that says "OPEN" and "CLOSED".......
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Originally Posted by P!N20 View Post
Iíve only ever seen them with LOCKED and UNLOCKED. Perhaps Tullio thought only English speaking people required instructions.
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Originally Posted by P!N20 View Post
Iíve only ever seen them with LOCKED and UNLOCKED. Perhaps Tullio thought only English speaking people required instructions.
Oh yeah they do! I was in a parking lot waiting for something, don't remember. People were packing up a 40' trailer headed out of town for a week or two as a group. One person was assembling a bike with QR levers. He used the lever to tighten the assembly! I just couldn't let this go so went over to inform him of the right way to use the QR. Also informed him of what could happen should he lose the front wheel while riding!
I am not convinced that OPEN/CLOSED or LOCK/UNLOCK would be enough to cause a person, who doesn't know about QR of any kind, to stop and think about the mechanics of what it is intended to indicate!
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I am not convinced that OPEN/CLOSED or LOCK/UNLOCK would be enough to cause a person, who doesn't know about QR of any kind, to stop and think about the mechanics of what it is intended to indicate!
That's why we now have "lawyer lips" on forks, which rather obviate the purpose of the quick release.
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Just like "lawyer lips" on fork ends, which take the "quick" out of "quick release." I even have them on my little grandson's BoB stroller!
The UCI requires that front forks with traditional quick release have positive capture ( lawyer lips ) today.
one would think that pro mechanics and riders would be aware enough to avoid error!
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Originally Posted by Chuckk View Post
"Quick-release devices with a lever must be adjustable to allow the lever to be set for tightness. Riders must be able to clearly see the levers and determine whether the levers are locked or unlocked. When it is locked, the clamping action of the quick release device must bite into the metal of frame or fork."
More VALUABLE SAFETY RULES at:
https://www.cpsc.gov/Business--Manuf...e-Requirements
and the loopholes-
Test the bike with the chain in the large chainring. Otherwise all bikes would still have chainguards.
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If your name is Oscar C Krumplage, Charles K Effington, or something similar, you can have your initials engraved on it with a little file work.
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That's why we now have "lawyer lips" on forks, which rather obviate the purpose of the quick release.
Every single bike I've had with those got swift attention from my file set.
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
Every single bike I've had with those got swift attention from my file set.
Ditto. What's the point otherwise.
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More VALUABLE SAFETY RULES
Including blasted coaster brakes on youth bikes. Ironically enough, they specify different forces required for application, but I've yet to find a modern Chinese/Taiwanese kids' coasterbrake that differs from an adult's.

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CPSC - Protecting US From Ourselves!

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Every single bike I've had with those got swift attention from my file set.
LAWYER LIPS!

That was THE FIRST thing that I did when I got home with a used and abused Iron Man that I bought without wheels...



I thought that the old style Campy flat brake QRs were the most elegant part of the gruppo! They just felt right!



You could loose an eye on that QR!

We were importing Andre Bertin bikes back then. We ignored the CPSC ruling in 1976 because most component makers hadn't started producing approved parts yet and the rules were still being debated.

In 1977 we had Bertin start stamping "traceable" serial numbers into the frames and using CPSC approved components as they became available. The whole serial number thing was a joke because few if any European bike makers kept records on their products (Raleigh, Peugeot and a few others all of which are long gone with all of the traceable records).

Unfortunately the CPSC rules did little to protect naive bicycle buyers from the unsafe at any speed department store kid killer bikes that they were supposed to keep off the market!

Bicycles were still considered to be KIDS TOYS by most people in the US.

One thing that it did do was discourage some European brands from exporting bikes to the US. YOU WANT US TO DO WHAT!

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CPSC Approved Bikes


Approved models:





And finally, the bike tested and approved by the experienced CPSC regulators:



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Approved models:
And finally, the bike tested and approved by the experienced CPSC regulators:
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Love the Kool-Stop comic. It really does hammer home that despite all the CPSC meddling, you can still buy a $69 bicycle shaped object today that is completely unsafe to ride at any speed.

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Routine was the exercise when a bike with a front quick release came in for service, we would test the quick release.
We would test the rear too in the stand but the front was the most common to be customer removed.
About 25% of the time the skewer was just wound tight.
We would show the person who dropped off the bike the correct procedure, then have them test "feel" the engagement.
Asked that the person who most often rode the bike to come with upon pick up.
Then show that person too.
Many an "AH Hah" moment.
Most of these bikes had manuals upon sale, rarely did they get read.
The second most common error was not understanding the brake QR to open up the caliper for the tire to pass.

We would always show buyers of a bike how to operate. People forget.
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Oh yeah they do! I was in a parking lot waiting for something, don't remember. People were packing up a 40' trailer headed out of town for a week or two as a group. One person was assembling a bike with QR levers. He used the lever to tighten the assembly! I just couldn't let this go so went over to inform him of the right way to use the QR. Also informed him of what could happen should he lose the front wheel while riding!
I am not convinced that OPEN/CLOSED or LOCK/UNLOCK would be enough to cause a person, who doesn't know about QR of any kind, to stop and think about the mechanics of what it is intended to indicate!
I recall reading recently - I think it was in the Bonehead Moves thread - about a fellow forum contributor who did a 20-mile-or-so ride and when he picked up the bike to take it into the house at the conclusion of the ride the front wheel dropped out! Even we experienced wrenches and riders can make the mistake of not tightening a QR enough - or at all

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