Pedals With Toe Clips
02-05-20, 03:10 AM
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Pretty nice. The toe clip looks classic and the leather strap looks good. But what type of shoe do you ride with? With that style of peddle the cleats dig into my tennis shoes and put my feet asleep after a few miles and I am pulling my feet out of the clips and shaking them...Thanks,mjac
02-05-20, 03:23 AM
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02-05-20, 04:31 AM
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...FWIW, since we're talking pedals that fit wide feet, MKS makes a knock off of the old Suntour quill pedals called the AR-2. I use them in situations that seem appropriate for quill pedals. They have a wide "platform", and a pretty shallow quill portion. They're usually pretty cheap, from the various online sellers like Ben's.
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02-05-20, 07:46 AM
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The Berthet pedals have been out of production for more than a couple decades now, and prices are all over the map. I've seen them go for US$5 all the way up to over US$100. A couple years ago, I picked up a NOS pair for US$12. They had 1/2" axles, but it was trivial to swap in 9/16" axles from a set of mod. 136 pedals.
02-05-20, 08:19 AM
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The Berthet pedals have been out of production for more than a couple decades now, and prices are all over the map. I've seen them go for US$5 all the way up to over US$100. A couple years ago, I picked up a NOS pair for US$12. They had 1/2" axles, but it was trivial to swap in 9/16" axles from a set of mod. 136 pedals.
I see you artfully dodge the question about what if your wife was not putting out maximum effort as the stroker. A guy once asked if he should get two solo canoes or one tandem canoe for him and his wife. He was told it depends on if you want to get a divorce or not...Thanks,mjac
02-05-20, 09:30 AM
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If you find that the MKS touring pedals present a problem with comfort because of their teeth, you might want to take a closer look at the MKS Urban platform because they are quite wide and pretty smooth without a surface designed to indent into cleats (like the Berthet appears to have). They also have sealed cartridge bearings, (most of the MKS offerings are traditional cup and cone) and are very, very smooth turning pedals. They flip easy with the toe tab but it takes a little bit of technique adjustment for me because the idel flip needs to engage a little more forward on the toe than other pedals I've been using. If you're using half clips, you'd probably have a bit greater margin for successful and happy pedal flipping. So, I like these pedals and they are comfortable 40 miles in, unlike a lot of pedals that seem ok for about 10 miles and then attack. I've never seen the GR9 or GR10 pedals, but the Urbabn Platforms look to be wider, also.
The most comfortable pedals I've used are SR SP-155 touring pedals that came standard on the Miyata 1000 in the late 80s. They're pretty nicely made and extra wide and flip every time. Velobase shows them. They come up on ebay rarely and never at a real good price, but are really really nice.
The most comfortable pedals I've used are SR SP-155 touring pedals that came standard on the Miyata 1000 in the late 80s. They're pretty nicely made and extra wide and flip every time. Velobase shows them. They come up on ebay rarely and never at a real good price, but are really really nice.
02-05-20, 01:05 PM
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Pedals shown are "XLC Retro Pedals" that are poor cousins to the higher quality MKS Touring pedals. If you keep a sharp eye out you can sometimes find these XLC retro pedals on line for as little as $15 pair. On ebay now:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/XLC-Retro-P...MAAOSwSCNahbpB
https://www.ebay.com/itm/XLC-Retro-P...MAAOSwSCNahbpB
02-05-20, 05:54 PM
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If you find that the MKS touring pedals present a problem with comfort because of their teeth, you might want to take a closer look at the MKS Urban platform because they are quite wide and pretty smooth without a surface designed to indent into cleats (like the Berthet appears to have). They also have sealed cartridge bearings, (most of the MKS offerings are traditional cup and cone) and are very, very smooth turning pedals. They flip easy with the toe tab but it takes a little bit of technique adjustment for me because the idel flip needs to engage a little more forward on the toe than other pedals I've been using. If you're using half clips, you'd probably have a bit greater margin for successful and happy pedal flipping. So, I like these pedals and they are comfortable 40 miles in, unlike a lot of pedals that seem ok for about 10 miles and then attack. I've never seen the GR9 or GR10 pedals, but the Urbabn Platforms look to be wider, also.
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The most comfortable pedals I've used are SR SP-155 touring pedals that came standard on the Miyata 1000 in the late 80s. They're pretty nicely made and extra wide and flip every time. Velobase shows them. They come up on ebay rarely and never at a real good price, but are really really nice.
I
The most comfortable pedals I've used are SR SP-155 touring pedals that came standard on the Miyata 1000 in the late 80s. They're pretty nicely made and extra wide and flip every time. Velobase shows them. They come up on ebay rarely and never at a real good price, but are really really nice.
02-05-20, 07:28 PM
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I thought they would be well in excess of $100 today. You were fortunate to find that NOS pair for that price. Of course you knew what you were looking at.
I see you artfully dodge the question about what if your wife was not putting out maximum effort as the stroker. A guy once asked if he should get two solo canoes or one tandem canoe for him and his wife. He was told it depends on if you want to get a divorce or not...Thanks,mjac
I see you artfully dodge the question about what if your wife was not putting out maximum effort as the stroker. A guy once asked if he should get two solo canoes or one tandem canoe for him and his wife. He was told it depends on if you want to get a divorce or not...Thanks,mjac
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02-05-20, 08:16 PM
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I got the MSK GR9s today and they are so narrow I don't see how I can use them. If I put the pedal in the middle of the high top tennis shoes that I ride with the shoe hangs over the threaded post. They must be designed to use with riding shoes and urban platforms for regular shoes. Had to send them back. I guesse you have to pay $50 or $60 to get a big flat platform pedal...Thanks,mjac
02-05-20, 11:51 PM
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Sorry, just joking around.
I got the MSK GR9s today and they are so narrow I don't see how I can use them. If I put the pedal in the middle of the high top tennis shoes that I ride with the shoe hangs over the threaded post. They must be designed to use with riding shoes and urban platforms for regular shoes. Had to send them back. I guesse you have to pay $50 or $60 to get a big flat platform pedal...Thanks,mjac
I got the MSK GR9s today and they are so narrow I don't see how I can use them. If I put the pedal in the middle of the high top tennis shoes that I ride with the shoe hangs over the threaded post. They must be designed to use with riding shoes and urban platforms for regular shoes. Had to send them back. I guesse you have to pay $50 or $60 to get a big flat platform pedal...Thanks,mjac
The width of the platform on the Urban pedals is a bit less than 80mm. Maybe wide enough, don't know.
02-06-20, 01:27 AM
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That is the whole point. I think they are made to be used with narrow riding shoes. My high top tennis shoes are wide and bulky. I could not center my foot on the peddle at all. The pedal would be on the inside of the foot only even if I jammed it against the crank. They are just too short along the axle. When you all say width you mean 90 degrees to the axle or along the axle?...Thanks,mjac
02-06-20, 01:34 AM
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That is the whole point. I think they are made to be used with narrow riding shoes. My high top tennis shoes are wide and bulky. I could not center my foot on the peddle at all. The pedal would be on the inside of the foot only even if I jammed it against the crank. They are just too short along the axle. When you all say width you mean 90 degrees to the axle or along the axle?...Thanks,mjac
That is the whole point. I think they are made to be used with narrow riding shoes. My high top tennis shoes are wide and bulky. I could not center my foot on the peddle at all. The pedal would be on the inside of the foot only even if I jammed it against the crank. They are just too short along the axle. When you all say width you mean 90 degrees to the axle or along the axle?...Thanks,mjac
02-06-20, 01:37 AM
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I just compared the width of the Urban Platform pedals to the width of Campagnolo SL pedals and the MKS pedals are overall a bit narrower but they seem to "feel" wider, I think, because of the narrowing on the outboard side of a traditional quill pedal. That is, I don't seem to feel the pain when my foot extends outward of the Urban Platform pedal as I do when the Campagnolo quill gets found by my foot. But even worse are the "track" pedals. I have a pair of MKS "track" pedals (much like the MKS touring pedals although considerably narrower) and a pair of Atom 700 "track" pedals and both those are too narrow for me to use at all. The Atom pedals have 14mm thread -- I don't know why I have them.
The width of the platform on the Urban pedals is a bit less than 80mm. Maybe wide enough, don't know.
The width of the platform on the Urban pedals is a bit less than 80mm. Maybe wide enough, don't know.
What at is a Quill Pedal?
I guess I just have to decide if I want to pay $60 - $70 for a set of pedals. But others pay upwards of $150. Maybe I will just wait for a deal on a higher end peddle...Thanks,mjac
02-06-20, 03:31 AM
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I do not know, I am not familiar with them. But the product description says the Urban Platform Pedals are 4.7 inches x 4.3 inches. That would be about 118mm x 108mm. The GR9s are about 75mm x 67mm.
What at is a Quill Pedal?
I guess I just have to decide if I want to pay $60 - $70 for a set of pedals. But others pay upwards of $150. Maybe I will just wait for a deal on a higher end peddle...Thanks,mjac
What at is a Quill Pedal?
I guess I just have to decide if I want to pay $60 - $70 for a set of pedals. But others pay upwards of $150. Maybe I will just wait for a deal on a higher end peddle...Thanks,mjac
I would recommend the OP visit the Mikashima (MKS) website as it has dimensions of all their pedals and weights. I decided on the Sylvan Touring Next. They were among the widest, have parallel plates for even distribution across the ball of your feet, have SMOOTH sealed bearings, and the plates are replaceable. An added benefit is they are lighter than many clipless pedals and were about $44 (now near $53+ due to tariffs on Asian bike parts). The MKS toe clips come in sizes and also offer a deeper version for street shoes and are great for hiking shoes. Did I say smooth bearings and SILVER color (or black)
I have a set of 40 year old MKS road quill pedals and they are still great, but too narrow now. MKS leather straps are very strong and also stiff to keep it easy to slip your foot into the pedal and clips, and are a bit longer for larger feet. Nylon straps are very cheap, but often limp and catch on anything that protrudes from the shoe. I have been on rides where a frayed or worn nylon strap would not open fast due to threads hooking on the teeth of the buckle. No one was hurt, but they were a bit scared. MKS is still a made in Japan product.
MKS website: https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/product/node/331
Universal Cycles is having a close-out on the Sylvan Touring Next pedals. https://www.universalcycles.com/shop....php?id=100114
There are some quick removable versions called EZY-Superior, but they get pricey at around $80-100. That way you can remove the pedal for storage, carrying in a car or on mass transit (where allowed), or to swap clipped, clipless, or platforms depending on the riding.
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02-06-20, 05:57 AM
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I just compared the width of the Urban Platform pedals to the width of Campagnolo SL pedals and the MKS pedals are overall a bit narrower but they seem to "feel" wider, I think, because of the narrowing on the outboard side of a traditional quill pedal. That is, I don't seem to feel the pain when my foot extends outward of the Urban Platform pedal as I do when the Campagnolo quill gets found by my foot. But even worse are the "track" pedals. I have a pair of MKS "track" pedals (much like the MKS touring pedals although considerably narrower) and a pair of Atom 700 "track" pedals and both those are too narrow for me to use at all. The Atom pedals have 14mm thread -- I don't know why I have them.
The width of the platform on the Urban pedals is a bit less than 80mm. Maybe wide enough, don't know.
The width of the platform on the Urban pedals is a bit less than 80mm. Maybe wide enough, don't know.
02-06-20, 06:25 AM
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I was looking for wider pedals for toe clips and straps and the Urban Platforms are not what I would call wide (found this out after I bought a pair). They do have a large tab to spin the pedal for putting your foot in. Fortunately they were super easy to sell. MKS also makes a bolt on tab for touring pedals.
I would recommend the OP visit the Mikashima (MKS) website as it has dimensions of all their pedals and weights. I decided on the Sylvan Touring Next. They were among the widest, have parallel plates for even distribution across the ball of your feet, have SMOOTH sealed bearings, and the plates are replaceable. An added benefit is they are lighter than many clipless pedals and were about $44 (now near $53+ due to tariffs on Asian bike parts). The MKS toe clips come in sizes and also offer a deeper version for street shoes and are great for hiking shoes. Did I say smooth bearings and SILVER color (or black)
I have a set of 40 year old MKS road quill pedals and they are still great, but too narrow now. MKS leather straps are very strong and also stiff to keep it easy to slip your foot into the pedal and clips, and are a bit longer for larger feet. Nylon straps are very cheap, but often limp and catch on anything that protrudes from the shoe. I have been on rides where a frayed or worn nylon strap would not open fast due to threads hooking on the teeth of the buckle. No one was hurt, but they were a bit scared. MKS is still a made in Japan product.
MKS website: https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/product/node/331
Universal Cycles is having a close-out on the Sylvan Touring Next pedals. https://www.universalcycles.com/shop....php?id=100114
There are some quick removable versions called EZY-Superior, but they get pricey at around $80-100. That way you can remove the pedal for storage, carrying in a car or on mass transit (
U
allowed), or to swap clipped, clipless, or platforms depending on the riding.
.
I would recommend the OP visit the Mikashima (MKS) website as it has dimensions of all their pedals and weights. I decided on the Sylvan Touring Next. They were among the widest, have parallel plates for even distribution across the ball of your feet, have SMOOTH sealed bearings, and the plates are replaceable. An added benefit is they are lighter than many clipless pedals and were about $44 (now near $53+ due to tariffs on Asian bike parts). The MKS toe clips come in sizes and also offer a deeper version for street shoes and are great for hiking shoes. Did I say smooth bearings and SILVER color (or black)
I have a set of 40 year old MKS road quill pedals and they are still great, but too narrow now. MKS leather straps are very strong and also stiff to keep it easy to slip your foot into the pedal and clips, and are a bit longer for larger feet. Nylon straps are very cheap, but often limp and catch on anything that protrudes from the shoe. I have been on rides where a frayed or worn nylon strap would not open fast due to threads hooking on the teeth of the buckle. No one was hurt, but they were a bit scared. MKS is still a made in Japan product.
MKS website: https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/product/node/331
Universal Cycles is having a close-out on the Sylvan Touring Next pedals. https://www.universalcycles.com/shop....php?id=100114
There are some quick removable versions called EZY-Superior, but they get pricey at around $80-100. That way you can remove the pedal for storage, carrying in a car or on mass transit (
U
allowed), or to swap clipped, clipless, or platforms depending on the riding.
.
I have decided one thing, if I am gonna upgrade it is going to be a ignificsnt upgrade to a good design with the triple seal bearings. Maybe catch a sale or a clearance. There is no rush and I know what I am looking for now...Thanks,mjac
By the way,no one answered this yet,what is a "Quill" Pedal?
02-06-20, 07:03 AM
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I do not know, I am not familiar with them. But the product description says the Urban Platform Pedals are 4.7 inches x 4.3 inches. That would be about 118mm x 108mm. The GR9s are about 75mm x 67mm.
What at is a Quill Pedal?
I guess I just have to decide if I want to pay $60 - $70 for a set of pedals. But others pay upwards of $150. Maybe I will just wait for a deal on a higher end peddle...Thanks,mjac
What at is a Quill Pedal?
I guess I just have to decide if I want to pay $60 - $70 for a set of pedals. But others pay upwards of $150. Maybe I will just wait for a deal on a higher end peddle...Thanks,mjac
Cheers
02-06-20, 07:12 AM
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Thanks, from all the descriptions I read I thought it was just the parrellel plate design. No one mentioned the foot retainer Quill...Thanks,mjac
02-06-20, 10:54 AM
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To the OP: I now use Shimano SH-GR5 Flat Pedal Shoes with the MKS Sylvan Touring next. They are flat enough to slide in and out easy and are lace-up. Velcro straps WILL catch on the toe clip straps. They are designed for mountain and free riding or touring. I also can use Merrell Moab II low hiking shoes since the MKS Deep XL toeclip allows a bulkier toe shoe without any trade-off for me. That was my main goal, flexibility.
02-06-20, 10:59 AM
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Thanks Miele Man, I was going to post that exact same image. I loved quill pedals both with flat shoes and old school slotted cleat shoes. Feet are now too wide and the quill, if too far inboard will be felt unless the sole is hard. Many quill-looking pedals have a quill that is not raised.
To the OP: I now use Shimano SH-GR5 Flat Pedal Shoes with the MKS Sylvan Touring next. They are flat enough to slide in and out easy and are lace-up. Velcro straps WILL catch on the toe clip straps. They are designed for mountain and free riding or touring. I also can use Merrell Moab II low hiking shoes since the MKS Deep XL toeclip allows a bulkier toe shoe without any trade-off for me. That was my main goal, flexibility.
To the OP: I now use Shimano SH-GR5 Flat Pedal Shoes with the MKS Sylvan Touring next. They are flat enough to slide in and out easy and are lace-up. Velcro straps WILL catch on the toe clip straps. They are designed for mountain and free riding or touring. I also can use Merrell Moab II low hiking shoes since the MKS Deep XL toeclip allows a bulkier toe shoe without any trade-off for me. That was my main goal, flexibility.
Cheers
02-06-20, 12:11 PM
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Thanks Miele Man, I was going to post that exact same image. I loved quill pedals both with flat shoes and old school slotted cleat shoes. Feet are now too wide and the quill, if too far inboard will be felt unless the sole is hard. Many quill-looking pedals have a quill that is not raised.
To the OP: I now use Shimano SH-GR5 Flat Pedal Shoes with the MKS Sylvan Touring next. They are flat enough to slide in and out easy and are lace-up. Velcro straps WILL catch on the toe clip straps. They are designed for mountain and free riding or touring. I also can use Merrell Moab II low hiking shoes since the MKS Deep XL toeclip allows a bulkier toe shoe without any trade-off for me. That was my main goal, flexibility.
To the OP: I now use Shimano SH-GR5 Flat Pedal Shoes with the MKS Sylvan Touring next. They are flat enough to slide in and out easy and are lace-up. Velcro straps WILL catch on the toe clip straps. They are designed for mountain and free riding or touring. I also can use Merrell Moab II low hiking shoes since the MKS Deep XL toeclip allows a bulkier toe shoe without any trade-off for me. That was my main goal, flexibility.
