Ride With One Brake - Front or Rear??
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As others related, BITD every kid had a bike with just a rear coaster brake. Maybe a rich kid would have a Raleigh tourer with rim brakes. I guess that wouldn't have flown in the UK.
That being said on the road I pretty much only use the front brake as it gives better modulation.
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That being said on the road I pretty much only use the front brake as it gives better modulation.
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Regarding the danger of “panic braking” with a front brake only bike.....
Why is this more of a danger on a bike with one brake on the front than on a bike with both front and rear brakes?
If someone is just going to grab all the brake they can, and they can do so enough to go OTB or wash out, it really does not matter whether there is a rear brake
So why is it a particular concern now?
Why is this more of a danger on a bike with one brake on the front than on a bike with both front and rear brakes?
If someone is just going to grab all the brake they can, and they can do so enough to go OTB or wash out, it really does not matter whether there is a rear brake
So why is it a particular concern now?
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Regarding the danger of “panic braking” with a front brake only bike.....
Why is this more of a danger on a bike with one brake on the front than on a bike with both front and rear brakes?
If someone is just going to grab all the brake they can, and they can do so enough to go OTB or wash out, it really does not matter whether there is a rear brake
So why is it a particular concern now?
Why is this more of a danger on a bike with one brake on the front than on a bike with both front and rear brakes?
If someone is just going to grab all the brake they can, and they can do so enough to go OTB or wash out, it really does not matter whether there is a rear brake
So why is it a particular concern now?
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I have congenital deformities in my hands and as such I've had a LIFETIME of braking with the FRONT brake only. I need the other hand to hang on to the handlebars as tightly as possible.
Issues such as locking up and sliding or going over the bars are real, yes, yet in the scheme of things minor. You just learn how to use your brakes properly. If you have the luxury or running both brakes off on lever then go for it. One brake only? definitely the front. No competition.
Issues such as locking up and sliding or going over the bars are real, yes, yet in the scheme of things minor. You just learn how to use your brakes properly. If you have the luxury or running both brakes off on lever then go for it. One brake only? definitely the front. No competition.
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Thousands or even millions of people run front brake only every day.
It's odd that some seem to never have heard of it and there really shouldn't even be a debate.
It's odd that some seem to never have heard of it and there really shouldn't even be a debate.
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Yeah,. I'm leaning this way, too. Sure, the stopping power isn't as good, but the potential for landing on the pavement ( on wet roads, turns) is higher with the single front brake, IMO.
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Threads like this remind me that this forum is very much pavement-oriented.
The risk calculations end up very different on loose or unstable surfaces.
The risk calculations end up very different on loose or unstable surfaces.
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Last summer I explained, best as I could, to my 12 yo son that the front brake was the stronger one and the one that should be used most of the time. Next time he was out riding his bike (older Kona with hydraulic discs) he decided to test the new knowledge I had imparted and grabbed a handful of front brake to see how fast he could stop, and LO! Over the bars he went!
New knowledge imparted to me: It takes about 4 weeks for a 12yo's broken arm to heal.
My mistake was not emphasizing that one must practice using the front brake to be able to do it safely. We were riding the other day and I noticed he still uses his front brake most of the time, but he doesn't go over the handlebars. In fact, I bet he will never again go over the handlebars again from using too much front brake. I would bet it is a mistake that the vast majority of people will only make once.
New knowledge imparted to me: It takes about 4 weeks for a 12yo's broken arm to heal.
My mistake was not emphasizing that one must practice using the front brake to be able to do it safely. We were riding the other day and I noticed he still uses his front brake most of the time, but he doesn't go over the handlebars. In fact, I bet he will never again go over the handlebars again from using too much front brake. I would bet it is a mistake that the vast majority of people will only make once.
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I've mentioned my motorcycle days often. I rode both street and dirt on my own motorcycles from age 20 to 38.
I remember one day I'm at a motocross track and a friend of mine offers up his Kawasaki KX250. He mentions his front brake wasn't working correctly, but I take it out anyway. I'm just taking a familiarity lap to get a feel for the bike, blasting between turns but taking it easy over jumps.
After one blast of the throttle I know I'm not going fast enough for an upcoming double jump so I hit the brakes to make that double into two singles.
Big mistake. That front brake didn't work at all. I went over the first jump with not enough speed scrubbed off to make the jump a single and I was going too slow to make it a double.
I cased the bike on the second jump which threw me to the ground hard. Dang near got a concussion even though I was wearing a helmet and I lost most of the flesh on my left forearm.
Good times. Good times.
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Off road? I want both brakes.
I've mentioned my motorcycle days often. I rode both street and dirt on my own motorcycles from age 20 to 38.
I remember one day I'm at a motocross track and a friend of mine offers up his Kawasaki KX250. He mentions his front brake wasn't working correctly, but I take it out anyway. I'm just taking a familiarity lap to get a feel for the bike, blasting between turns but taking it easy over jumps.
After one blast of the throttle I know I'm not going fast enough for an upcoming double jump so I hit the brakes to make that double into two singles.
Big mistake. That front brake didn't work at all. I went over the first jump with not enough speed scrubbed off to make the jump a single and I was going too slow to make it a double.
I cased the bike on the second jump which threw me to the ground hard. Dang near got a concussion even though I was wearing a helmet and I lost most of the flesh on my left forearm.
Good times. Good times.
I've mentioned my motorcycle days often. I rode both street and dirt on my own motorcycles from age 20 to 38.
I remember one day I'm at a motocross track and a friend of mine offers up his Kawasaki KX250. He mentions his front brake wasn't working correctly, but I take it out anyway. I'm just taking a familiarity lap to get a feel for the bike, blasting between turns but taking it easy over jumps.
After one blast of the throttle I know I'm not going fast enough for an upcoming double jump so I hit the brakes to make that double into two singles.
Big mistake. That front brake didn't work at all. I went over the first jump with not enough speed scrubbed off to make the jump a single and I was going too slow to make it a double.
I cased the bike on the second jump which threw me to the ground hard. Dang near got a concussion even though I was wearing a helmet and I lost most of the flesh on my left forearm.
Good times. Good times.
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Of course the front brake provides better braking but I sure would not want to have only the front even strictly for riding pavement. There is always going to be places with dirt, sand, debris, or whatever (especially in corners) and sooner or later you're going to be in it and need to stop.
If I could only have one, I'd take my chances with just the rear knowing that stopping is going to take longer.
If I could only have one, I'd take my chances with just the rear knowing that stopping is going to take longer.
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as far as the discussion at hand, it’s very simple:
1. Physics tells you that the front brake does most of the work. Same reason disc brake cars typically have larger rotors in front (as well as motorcycles and racing bicycles)
2. Proper emergency braking technique is essential and with it, a front brake only, is more than sufficient. With a rear brake, you’ll stop marginally faster. Without technique, a rear brake is useless. In most everyday riding scenarios, even without technique, a front brake only is generally safe, at typical bicycle speeds.
3. For technical on road riding as well as all various forms of ‘off-road’ or otherwise non flat paved (like racing, downhill decent, mountain, speed modulation, high speed cornering, etc.) a rear brake is extremely useful to downright necessary. All of this is regardless of specific brake type.
not sure what other discussion there is to be had here. So let’s talk some more about why we should wear helmets not designed to protect us from collision with a motor vehicle, to protect us from collision from a motor vehicle and how that’s necessary for our lives.
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If we are talking pavement, gravel paths, hard pack dirt, grass, and no steep descents, I still vote front brake only. A good tire choice could help a bunch here.
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I have to admit I didn't think about speed when it comes to brakes. Thanks to another thread at BF, I got looking at the Electra Cruiser line.
On one of Electra's Cruiser webpages, the braking systems change depending on the potential speed of the bike (or user), it would seem.
1 speed cruisers get a rear coaster brake.
3 speed cruisers get a front rim brake and a rear coaster brake.
7 speed cruisers get front and rear rim brakes.
7 speed fat tire cruisers get front and rear discs (Due to tire width making rim brakes problematic?).
On one of Electra's Cruiser webpages, the braking systems change depending on the potential speed of the bike (or user), it would seem.
1 speed cruisers get a rear coaster brake.
3 speed cruisers get a front rim brake and a rear coaster brake.
7 speed cruisers get front and rear rim brakes.
7 speed fat tire cruisers get front and rear discs (Due to tire width making rim brakes problematic?).
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Wasn't it a year or two ago, a one armed man in the uk got in a heap of trouble for only running one brake on his bike?
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I can't believe the number of people suggesting just a front brake in ... first and foremost is safety ... if he goes that option, has to slam it on unexpectedly one day without the time to think and ends up flying over the handlebars or the wheel tucks in underneath himself and he ends up hospitalized with serious injury .... just make sure you leave your comments here so you be traced via your IP address and you can be sued for his medical care (and anybody else he may hit) thereafter for the poor advice you've given ... personally I think the comments are totally irresponsible as it's dangerous to even suggest it.
I'm sure this will create a few flustered responses .... I'm off on a 3 day cycle tour early in the morning so won't be checking in here in case anybody accuses me of throwing a grenade in the room and then disappearing as that's genuinely not the case bit I honestly think people need to think through the advice they're giving and the repercussions it may lead to.
I think 2 brakes or don't ride and just to save a bit of money to risk your own and other people's health is totally irresponsible.
I'm sure this will create a few flustered responses .... I'm off on a 3 day cycle tour early in the morning so won't be checking in here in case anybody accuses me of throwing a grenade in the room and then disappearing as that's genuinely not the case bit I honestly think people need to think through the advice they're giving and the repercussions it may lead to.
I think 2 brakes or don't ride and just to save a bit of money to risk your own and other people's health is totally irresponsible.
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This bike of mine has one brake, you can guess where it is. Never have I ever went over the bars of a bike unless I was purposelly attempting a stoppy/endo and couldn't release the lever. That centerpull is plenty strong, too and you can tell the riding position is a pretty foward one, like on some mtbs and most roadbikes.
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Front brake is better at stopping and slamming your body into the ground. Very dangerous to use the front brake for primary braking when cornering on loose/wet surfaces.
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This bike of mine has one brake, you can guess where it is. Never have I ever went over the bars of a bike unless I was purposelly attempting a stoppy/endo and couldn't release the lever. That centerpull is plenty strong, too and you can tell the riding position is a pretty foward one, like on some mtbs and most roadbikes.
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First, I would ask mountain or road riding mostly?
If mountain I would opt for rear; road front.
Then why not consider an automotive solution and use a front/rear brake balancer. They are not heavy and are tunable. You can get such from Wilwood. They are designed for automotive brakes but should work for hydraulic cycling brakes as well. Actually, I have at lest one I am not using. If I find it, I would be happy to send it to you. They are also small (probably don't weigh more than 50 grams or so) and use a thumb knob to adjust the balance.
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If mountain I would opt for rear; road front.
Then why not consider an automotive solution and use a front/rear brake balancer. They are not heavy and are tunable. You can get such from Wilwood. They are designed for automotive brakes but should work for hydraulic cycling brakes as well. Actually, I have at lest one I am not using. If I find it, I would be happy to send it to you. They are also small (probably don't weigh more than 50 grams or so) and use a thumb knob to adjust the balance.
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Then why not consider an automotive solution and use a front/rear brake balancer. They are not heavy and are tunable. You can get such from Wilwood. They are designed for automotive brakes but should work for hydraulic cycling brakes as well. Actually, I have at lest one I am not using. If I find it, I would be happy to send it to you. They are also small (probably don't weigh more than 50 grams or so) and use a thumb knob to adjust the balance.
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I would say rear.
Watched my friend go head over teakettle when she did a sudden stop using just front brake. Slammed her face into the pavement, we called 911 but she turned out to be OK enough to be driven home with just scrapes.
Then due to the frozen left shoulder I ended up using pretty much only my rear brake this last winter. Worked fine. But I did have to get new pads this tune up.
But if you want to go high tech I think rigging something that did them together might be even safer. But for this cash strapped girl..ok old lady...LOL Rear brake works too.
Watched my friend go head over teakettle when she did a sudden stop using just front brake. Slammed her face into the pavement, we called 911 but she turned out to be OK enough to be driven home with just scrapes.
Then due to the frozen left shoulder I ended up using pretty much only my rear brake this last winter. Worked fine. But I did have to get new pads this tune up.
But if you want to go high tech I think rigging something that did them together might be even safer. But for this cash strapped girl..ok old lady...LOL Rear brake works too.
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ABS brakes
I think the ideal solution would be ABS brakes (ala cars and some motorcycles). Here's one article, https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/b...s-to-bicycles/ I can't endorse Bosch (nor do I know who else has a product out or in the pipeline). But rather than "hardwiring" a split, or choosing a single brake ... this would seem to be the most appropriate solution
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I think the ideal solution would be ABS brakes (ala cars and some motorcycles). Here's one article, https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/b...s-to-bicycles/ I can't endorse Bosch (nor do I know who else has a product out or in the pipeline). But rather than "hardwiring" a split, or choosing a single brake ... this would seem to be the most appropriate solution