Help upgrading wheelset
07-23-19, 08:22 PM
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Help upgrading wheelset
I'm thinking of putting some money into a new wheelset instead of scratching that itch to get a new bike. My problem is just my inexperience on the subject. I'm trying to research wheels that will improve the performance of my bike of course, but then I start seeing options that I just don't know what they are. Campag Freehub, Shimano Freehub, 6 Bolt, Centre Lock, QR 6 Bolt, 12mm Thru Axle 6 Bolt, 12mm Thru Axle Centre Lock, QR Centre Lock??? What the heck??
I have a 2017 Fuji Sportif 1.5 as seen here and it currently has the stock wheels shown https://archive.fujibikes.com/2017/F...ortif-15-disc2
So I am very open to suggestions on better quality wheels, and I would also ask for help on what options I am supposed to choose from those I listed above.
Here is an example of some wheels I looked at which listed those options. And I don't understand the difference in these 3 wheels. These are just one example of a wheelset. I use these as an example but I hadn't decided on any particular wheelset. I do have disc brakes btw.
https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...ontent=Default
https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...ontent=Default
https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...ontent=Default
I have a 2017 Fuji Sportif 1.5 as seen here and it currently has the stock wheels shown https://archive.fujibikes.com/2017/F...ortif-15-disc2
So I am very open to suggestions on better quality wheels, and I would also ask for help on what options I am supposed to choose from those I listed above.
Here is an example of some wheels I looked at which listed those options. And I don't understand the difference in these 3 wheels. These are just one example of a wheelset. I use these as an example but I hadn't decided on any particular wheelset. I do have disc brakes btw.
https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...ontent=Default
https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...ontent=Default
https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...ontent=Default
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Whether you choose 6 bolt or centrelock depends on your rotors, although you might decide to ditch existing 6 bolt rotors in favour of centrelock.
Shimano or Campy freehub depends on whether your cassette is Campy.
The other option depends on what axles your frame uses; traditional QR axles or the beefier through-axles developed for disc brakes, like motorbikes use.
Looking at the link for your bike, you definitely want the Shimano freehub. Looks like QR axles, just like a rim brake bike. As for the rotors, can't see. They probably have 6 bolts, right?
Shimano or Campy freehub depends on whether your cassette is Campy.
The other option depends on what axles your frame uses; traditional QR axles or the beefier through-axles developed for disc brakes, like motorbikes use.
Looking at the link for your bike, you definitely want the Shimano freehub. Looks like QR axles, just like a rim brake bike. As for the rotors, can't see. They probably have 6 bolts, right?
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07-24-19, 06:51 AM
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Whether you choose 6 bolt or centrelock depends on your rotors, although you might decide to ditch existing 6 bolt rotors in favour of centrelock.
Shimano or Campy freehub depends on whether your cassette is Campy.
The other option depends on what axles your frame uses; traditional QR axles or the beefier through-axles developed for disc brakes, like motorbikes use.
Looking at the link for your bike, you definitely want the Shimano freehub. Looks like QR axles, just like a rim brake bike. As for the rotors, can't see. They probably have 6 bolts, right?
Shimano or Campy freehub depends on whether your cassette is Campy.
The other option depends on what axles your frame uses; traditional QR axles or the beefier through-axles developed for disc brakes, like motorbikes use.
Looking at the link for your bike, you definitely want the Shimano freehub. Looks like QR axles, just like a rim brake bike. As for the rotors, can't see. They probably have 6 bolts, right?
Thank you so much for the help! I believe 6 bolts is correct as the below is what I found on the current wheels.
- Aluminum rim
- Vera Corsa double-wall aero alloy clincher
- Bike type: Road
- Size: 622 x 17; 700c n
- Type: Clincher
- Rim material: Aluminum
- Rim depth: 25mm
- 22mm OD
- Brake compatibility: 6 bolt disc 160mm
- Front wheel specs:
- # spokes: 24
- Hub model: Oval Concepts
- Axle size: 10mm thru
- Hub width: 100mm
- Weight: 1475g with tire and tube
- Rear wheel specs:
- # spokes: 28
- Hub model: Oval Concepts
- Axle size: 10mm thru
- Hub width: 142mm
- Freehub compatibility: 9-11 speed; 9/10 require spacer, not included
- Weight: 1645g with tire and tube
- Color: Black and green
- Total weight: 3120g
07-24-19, 08:36 AM
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6 bolt vs centerlock is solely dependent on the wheel, the only reason you would have to get 6 bolt is if you wanted to swap your stock rotors over. My stock wheels are 6 bolt, but I went centerlock on my second wheelset and bought new rotors for them (that way I could just swap wheels back and forth easily).
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6 bolt vs centerlock is solely dependent on the wheel, the only reason you would have to get 6 bolt is if you wanted to swap your stock rotors over. My stock wheels are 6 bolt, but I went centerlock on my second wheelset and bought new rotors for them (that way I could just swap wheels back and forth easily).
Thank you. Now act like I know nothing about this...because I don't. If I choose centre lock, does that mean I HAVE to buy new rotors? Or let's look at it another way; should I buy new rotors anyway because it would be advantageous to the performance of the bike since I am upgrading the wheelset?
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Six-bolt rotors can be adapted to centerlock hubs.
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Center lock is just nicer than 6 bolt; there's no performance advantage except how long it takes to for and remove them.
But what's this about 10mm through-axles? That seems weird. The wheels you're looking at have the normal 12mm.
But what's this about 10mm through-axles? That seems weird. The wheels you're looking at have the normal 12mm.
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At that price point, you should be looking at sub 1600g wheelsets or deeper rims. Or spend a tad more for Light Bicycle carbon wheels.
07-25-19, 06:31 PM
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I was under the impression there is a slight breaking performance difference with center lock. Is that not correct?
Not having to adjust break calibers from time time to time, because of it getting a tad out of alignment with 6 bolt would be a nice advantage. I have had to stop plenty of times to loosen the screws on my calipers, pull the grip, and retighten them to recenter them in the middle of riding because of a sudden rub. That's a lot of unnecessary man hours over the course of your life that you could be further along in time and space instead.
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6 bolt vs centerlock is solely dependent on the wheel, the only reason you would have to get 6 bolt is if you wanted to swap your stock rotors over. My stock wheels are 6 bolt, but I went centerlock on my second wheelset and bought new rotors for them (that way I could just swap wheels back and forth easily).
I did the same thing. Two wheelsets, one 6 bolt, one center lock, one 28mm tires and one 32mm tires. But I also have a 3rd wheelset, unbranded original from a bike and I have 37 mm on them now but also have a set of 33 knobbies I can switch to.
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Thank you. Now act like I know nothing about this...because I don't. If I choose centre lock, does that mean I HAVE to buy new rotors? Or let's look at it another way; should I buy new rotors anyway because it would be advantageous to the performance of the bike since I am upgrading the wheelset?
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Performance advantage or advantage in general?
I was under the impression there is a slight breaking performance difference with center lock. Is that not correct?
Not having to adjust break calibers from time time to time, because of it getting a tad out of alignment with 6 bolt would be a nice advantage. I have had to stop plenty of times to loosen the screws on my calipers, pull the grip, and retighten them to recenter them in the middle of riding because of a sudden rub. That's a lot of unnecessary man hours over the course of your life that you could be further along in time and space instead.
I was under the impression there is a slight breaking performance difference with center lock. Is that not correct?
Not having to adjust break calibers from time time to time, because of it getting a tad out of alignment with 6 bolt would be a nice advantage. I have had to stop plenty of times to loosen the screws on my calipers, pull the grip, and retighten them to recenter them in the middle of riding because of a sudden rub. That's a lot of unnecessary man hours over the course of your life that you could be further along in time and space instead.
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Centerlock turns your hubs into heat sinks. Not important either way to most people, but if you live near mountains and brake a lot on the way down that can be a big deal. Heat won't affect your tires/tubes like in the old days, but you can overcook your fluid. If that happens, you can still use your brake, but you lose basically all modulation, the lever becomes an on/off switch. Around here it's about $50 per line for a bleed.
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Centerlock turns your hubs into heat sinks. Not important either way to most people, but if you live near mountains and brake a lot on the way down that can be a big deal. Heat won't affect your tires/tubes like in the old days, but you can overcook your fluid. If that happens, you can still use your brake, but you lose basically all modulation, the lever becomes an on/off switch. Around here it's about $50 per line for a bleed.
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Having to stop mid ride to fix pad gap shouldn't be happening, and I can't see centrelock fixing it. It'll be disc warp diet to heat and/or poor pad alignment, most likely culprit being sh0nky calipers. What brand are they?
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That'll be aluminum.
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