good in theory bad in practice
03-02-17, 12:45 PM
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good in theory bad in practice
San francisco put in parking buffered bike lanes. and of course the lanes are used for parking in addtion to where the parking is supposed to be.
IMHO parking buffered is bad design, as it limits visibility of cyclists at intersections, etc.
the implementation had problems, like no signage, parking meters not moved etc.
end result reduced safety
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The new design was touted by the SFMTA as “San Francisco’s first raised, parking-protected bike lane.”
“This bike lane combines two main physical design features aimed at making streets safer and more comfortable for people to bike on,” stated the SFMTA in a blog post announcing the project. “They help provide a clearer sense of separation between people walking, biking or driving and organize the street into a more predictable pattern.”
But the six-foot-wide bike lane and five-foot-wide buffer area are not being used correctly—showing a disconnect between The City’s plan and the drivers’ interpretation. There are no signs posted to explain how to use the bike lane, and the parking meters appear to be causing some confusion.
https://www.sfexaminer.com/oblivious-...ike-lane-cars/
IMHO parking buffered is bad design, as it limits visibility of cyclists at intersections, etc.
the implementation had problems, like no signage, parking meters not moved etc.
end result reduced safety
partial quote
The new design was touted by the SFMTA as “San Francisco’s first raised, parking-protected bike lane.”
“This bike lane combines two main physical design features aimed at making streets safer and more comfortable for people to bike on,” stated the SFMTA in a blog post announcing the project. “They help provide a clearer sense of separation between people walking, biking or driving and organize the street into a more predictable pattern.”
But the six-foot-wide bike lane and five-foot-wide buffer area are not being used correctly—showing a disconnect between The City’s plan and the drivers’ interpretation. There are no signs posted to explain how to use the bike lane, and the parking meters appear to be causing some confusion.
https://www.sfexaminer.com/oblivious-...ike-lane-cars/
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03-02-17, 01:39 PM
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May 2016 - conventional bike lane, curb parking.
September 2016 - parking buffered bike lane (but not raised).
There were a few days of confusion here - but even m*******s figured this out pretty damn quickly - without green paint.
Yes, they had to put signs telling you where to drive, park, bike, and walk.
(But not where to run, sigh.)
Yes, there were a few days of intensive informational enforcement.
And even a few tactical flowerpots.
But once a few people caught on, pretty much everyone caught on.
-mr. bill
September 2016 - parking buffered bike lane (but not raised).
There were a few days of confusion here - but even m*******s figured this out pretty damn quickly - without green paint.
Yes, they had to put signs telling you where to drive, park, bike, and walk.
(But not where to run, sigh.)
Yes, there were a few days of intensive informational enforcement.
And even a few tactical flowerpots.
But once a few people caught on, pretty much everyone caught on.
-mr. bill
Last edited by mr_bill; 03-02-17 at 01:48 PM.
03-02-17, 02:11 PM
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San francisco put in parking buffered bike lanes. and of course the lanes are used for parking in addtion to where the parking is supposed to be.
IMHO parking buffered is bad design, as it limits visibility of cyclists at intersections, etc.
the implementation had problems, like no signage, parking meters not moved etc.
end result reduced safety
partial quote
The new design was touted by the SFMTA as “San Francisco’s first raised, parking-protected bike lane.”
“This bike lane combines two main physical design features aimed at making streets safer and more comfortable for people to bike on,” stated the SFMTA in a blog post announcing the project. “They help provide a clearer sense of separation between people walking, biking or driving and organize the street into a more predictable pattern.”
But the six-foot-wide bike lane and five-foot-wide buffer area are not being used correctly—showing a disconnect between The City’s plan and the drivers’ interpretation. There are no signs posted to explain how to use the bike lane, and the parking meters appear to be causing some confusion.
https://www.sfexaminer.com/oblivious-...ike-lane-cars/
IMHO parking buffered is bad design, as it limits visibility of cyclists at intersections, etc.
the implementation had problems, like no signage, parking meters not moved etc.
end result reduced safety
partial quote
The new design was touted by the SFMTA as “San Francisco’s first raised, parking-protected bike lane.”
“This bike lane combines two main physical design features aimed at making streets safer and more comfortable for people to bike on,” stated the SFMTA in a blog post announcing the project. “They help provide a clearer sense of separation between people walking, biking or driving and organize the street into a more predictable pattern.”
But the six-foot-wide bike lane and five-foot-wide buffer area are not being used correctly—showing a disconnect between The City’s plan and the drivers’ interpretation. There are no signs posted to explain how to use the bike lane, and the parking meters appear to be causing some confusion.
https://www.sfexaminer.com/oblivious-...ike-lane-cars/
03-03-17, 08:55 PM
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Just another example of the intelligence of motorists. And they are in control of deadly machines. Ever wonder why there are so many collisions and road fatalities?
03-04-17, 08:17 AM
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They will figure it out eventually. I imagine there is some discomfort about parking so far from the curb. Goes against their conditioning. I don't know what sort of communication plan was used before it was implemented, but my experience is that even with the best communication, a large proportion of citizens never seem to get it.
03-04-17, 09:48 AM
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Those parking meters definitely don't help.
03-04-17, 07:01 PM
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Check out the idiot motorists in the videos of this thread.
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/1095312-city-puts-head-sand.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-safety/1095312-city-puts-head-sand.html
03-06-17, 03:48 PM
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After a few rides, I avoid bike lanes with parking between the traffic lane and bike lane. Cross streets are too deadly. Literally - several serious accidents. Signs saying 'right turning vehicles yield to bikes' don't do a lot when the bikes aren't very visible - drivers don't expect them, especially not at any kind of speed.
Having bikes (or any vehicle) passing a right-turning vehicle on the right is just a bad idea, and this lane configuration doesn't give anyone any other options.
We have one raised cycle track that does not have cars parked along it all the time - works OK. Only use it because the road was narrowed to build it, and sometimes ride on the road, as it often isn't plowed.
Having bikes (or any vehicle) passing a right-turning vehicle on the right is just a bad idea, and this lane configuration doesn't give anyone any other options.
We have one raised cycle track that does not have cars parked along it all the time - works OK. Only use it because the road was narrowed to build it, and sometimes ride on the road, as it often isn't plowed.
03-08-17, 07:42 AM
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Dude, they'll simply find other ways to get there.
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