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Old 09-15-19, 07:47 PM
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Another Mystery Raleigh

Here is the bike I got at the same time as the Ladies Sport Tourist. It has the same "AW" hub with no date (appears to be the 1941/42 model); but different fenders, gearcase "window" oriented to top vice front, no "fishtail" cutouts on the head tube lugs, bolt-on seatstays, quadrant shifter, and standard front hub. The pedals and baskets/rack are definitely not original. Serial # AD99185 running parallel to the seat tube on the seat lug. No idea as to the model/year, nor originality of existing components. The right crank has about a 3-4 mm "notch"; either intentionally made to avoid contact with gearcase or worn in from continued contact with same (maybe not from this gearcase as there is not excessive wear to the case itself). Hope the photos help; I'm still trying to find my good camera!
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Re: reusing a chain link's pin- If the chain is a modern 3/32"/der one then most every current chain has their pins peened over on their ends to better retain the side plates from prying off during the harsh shifting forces that ramps/lift pins/shift gates produce. These pins will punch a larger hole in the side plate when punched out, or almost all the way out like was the practice prior to peened pins. If the chain is a non peened pin one then great. Treat it like chains of old, which it is by design, and re press in that pin. Most all 1/8" chains that I see are not peened on their pin ends. I did this very type of conversion about 40 years ago and that bike has been under a few different riders over the years with no problems. Andy (who someday will get back that Raleigh Twenty [not a DL-20] with it's FW hub and the two SA cogs for an 8 speed)
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Re: reusing a chain link's pin- If the chain is a modern 3/32"/der one then most every current chain has their pins peened over on their ends to better retain the side plates from prying off during the harsh shifting forces that ramps/lift pins/shift gates produce. These pins will punch a larger hole in the side plate when punched out, or almost all the way out like was the practice prior to peened pins. If the chain is a non peened pin one then great. Treat it like chains of old, which it is by design, and re press in that pin. Most all 1/8" chains that I see are not peened on their pin ends. I did this very type of conversion about 40 years ago and that bike has been under a few different riders over the years with no problems. Andy (who someday will get back that Raleigh Twenty [not a DL-20] with it's FW hub and the two SA cogs for an 8 speed)
Thanks for the explanation. I've been wrenching old 3 speeds exclusively and never understood the reasoning behind not reusing chain link pins. Mystery solved.
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Originally Posted by HPL View Post
Here is the bike I got at the same time as the Ladies Sport Tourist. It has the same "AW" hub with no date (appears to be the 1941/42 model); but different fenders, gearcase "window" oriented to top vice front, no "fishtail" cutouts on the head tube lugs, bolt-on seatstays, quadrant shifter, and standard front hub. The pedals and baskets/rack are definitely not original. Serial # AD99185 running parallel to the seat tube on the seat lug. No idea as to the model/year, nor originality of existing components. The right crank has about a 3-4 mm "notch"; either intentionally made to avoid contact with gearcase or worn in from continued contact with same (maybe not from this gearcase as there is not excessive wear to the case itself). Hope the photos help; I'm still trying to find my good camera!
This appears to be similar to a Dawn Tourist but a different head tube lug shape. Maybe an older model? Hard to say

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