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Old 09-04-19, 11:39 AM
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Pedestrian Cycling (PC)

BikeSnob - "The Pedestrian Is Always Right" Warning, Eben Weiss uses "bad" words, such as the "bad" word that is in htfu.

Ever wonder why so many people walking hate some people riding?

With friends like us who needs enemies?

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Old 09-04-19, 12:06 PM
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Humans have a tribal mentality. Our very nature makes it nearly impossible to coexist in peace.
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Old 09-05-19, 02:14 PM
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While we're at it, let's actually stop for pedestrians at crosswalks. When I do this, a lot of pedestrians seem shocked I'm actually obeying the law, especially when I'm behind a couple of cars who just zoomed through like the pedestrian wasn't there.
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I've always appreciated Eben's insight.
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Old 09-06-19, 06:55 AM
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Thanks for the link. That led me down a rabbit hole of reading several of his articles.
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Old 09-06-19, 07:02 PM
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I don't see what practical difference pedestrian cycling would have.
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Old 09-10-19, 10:59 AM
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Cyclists and pedestrians have more in common than not--think of us like Jews and Rom shoved into the same ghettos by Nazis.
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Originally Posted by Feldman
Cyclists and pedestrians have more in common than not--think of us like Jews and Rom shoved into the same ghettos by Nazis.
No. Sorry, but enough of my relatives died in Warsaw and the camps that I find this trivializing comparison really offensive.
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Old 09-10-19, 08:22 PM
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A lot of pedestrians are actually drivers who got out of their cars. And of course, most drivers are pedestrians who just got off the sidewalk.

And yes, separated bike lanes do help protect pedestrians and drivers from themselves/each other.
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Pedestrians usually don't bother me. I stop at crosswalks for pedestrians as I should and I don't ride on sidewalks. Now walkers with their dogs who leave the sidewalk to walk on the bike lane forcing me into traffic, that's another story! Joe
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Old 09-11-19, 11:42 AM
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I'm Jewish and both sides of my family emigrated from Eastern Europe in the late 19th century, so some of my relatives probably did to. No sir or ma'am, looking at the continuing and increasing slaughter of pedestrians by American drivers, I don't find this comparison inappropriate the least little bit. I think America's transportation and energy use policies are edging towards being a moral equivalent to the Holocaust unless we change tack drastically.
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Originally Posted by Feldman
I'm Jewish and both sides of my family emigrated from Eastern Europe in the late 19th century, so some of my relatives probably did to. No sir or ma'am, looking at the continuing and increasing slaughter of pedestrians by American drivers, I don't find this comparison inappropriate the least little bit. I think America's transportation and energy use policies are edging towards being a moral equivalent to the Holocaust unless we change tack drastically.
False equivalency is false. Until you can tell me where thousands of cyclists and pedestrians are being rounded up, put into cattle cars and systematically gassed in droves, the comparison is specious on its face.

I agree that this country is doing a really bad job of protecting cyclists and pedestrians from drivers, but that's an entirely different category of wrong from systematic genocide, both in morality and in scale. I don't care if you're Jewish or not, using the Holocaust for rhetorical purposes in this manner is just in terrible taste.

If you want to argue that energy policy is going to eventually lead to a humanitarian disaster on a scale as big or bigger than the Holocaust there might be something to that, but this is not the forum for that and it would have nothing to do with how pedestrians and cyclists should get along.

The Jews in the shtetl my family was from were all gathered together in a field, machine gunned and buried in a mass grave they may have been forced to dig themselves. That was 4000 people, shot in groups of 250 each. I'm not seeing anyone do that to cyclists or pedestrians.

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Old 09-12-19, 06:59 AM
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The author in the OP's link is absolutely correct. I love taking the lane and holding up cars so a pedestrian can cross the street
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Old 09-12-19, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by work4bike
The author in the OP's link is absolutely correct. I love taking the lane and holding up cars so a pedestrian can cross the street
Taking the lane and stopping for a pedestrian in Cambridge (our fair city) MA is not so wise, because must get to the stoplight!

However, the smiles for stopping are so worth it.


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Old 09-12-19, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by work4bike
The author in the OP's link is absolutely correct. I love taking the lane and holding up cars so a pedestrian can cross the street
See https://www.bikeforums.net/foo/11834...yday-life.html
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Old 09-13-19, 05:13 PM
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I'm a big fan of EW's writing. I love this part:

Nevertheless, the car still remains at the top of the food chain, and the upshot result of all this is a dysfunctional system whereby entitled motorists hog the road and the rest of us fight over the scraps—sometimes with each other.

I do, for the most part, agree with his tenet, that the pedestrian is always right. I don't cycle in a crowded metro center often, but when I do adopt a different mindset, which is basically slow the heck down. The bike path running along Toronto's Lakeshore is super busy with cyclists and pedestrians.use it as a sidewalk. Many cyclists will opt for riding on the road instead of trying to navigate around the pedestrians.
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Originally Posted by Feldman
I'm Jewish and both sides of my family emigrated from Eastern Europe in the late 19th century, so some of my relatives probably did to. No sir or ma'am, looking at the continuing and increasing slaughter of pedestrians by American drivers, I don't find this comparison inappropriate the least little bit. I think America's transportation and energy use policies are edging towards being a moral equivalent to the Holocaust unless we change tack drastically.
That's a stretch.
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I
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Edged a sidewalk County Road Vacant Commercial property
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Edged a sidewalk County Road Vacant Commercial property
That's tough work for a line trimmer. Especially an electric line trimmer.
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That's tough work for a line trimmer. Especially an electric line trimmer.
I used a bunch of old , dull screwdrivers to feel the edge of the concrete.
i used the screwdriver handles as marker stakes .
went through both batteries and yet ended up a few yards short .
Started actual edging with a mattock, but the hard part is bagging the dirt and hauling it off.
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The point being , this will give pedestrians a margin of safety when a bike comes by.
It's a very busy road and there is a issue with sun glare ( we're looking West in this photo, you might be able to pick that out .).
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