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Your bike is a Dorel (used to be Pacific Cycles) they own/manufacture (among other things) Cannondale, Schwinn, and GT. Only really Cannondale is left as a premium manufacturer. None of these bikes are manufactured in the USA anymore. They come from the same factories in China or Taiwan these days. Mongoose in particular is considered a big box store brand these days. Something convinced you to buy it so its good enough for you. That's all that matters.
This does not infer anything but China started by brand names about 20-30 odd years ago when American brands started to collapse. What does this all mean? Mongoose as a brand is only worth something in desperately impoverished areas of Chindia where people don't know any better that its not the same company anymore. Unless or until there is another boutique brand that captures everyone's imagination this is the way its always going to be.
This does not infer anything but China started by brand names about 20-30 odd years ago when American brands started to collapse. What does this all mean? Mongoose as a brand is only worth something in desperately impoverished areas of Chindia where people don't know any better that its not the same company anymore. Unless or until there is another boutique brand that captures everyone's imagination this is the way its always going to be.
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First off, friends ... the Ignore button is in your brains. Read the name, ignore the post, I know it Sounds complicated ....
Secondly ... say what is this thread about? Nothing to do with the OP who could probably use some Real help, not a bunch of folks showing off their specialized knowledge and fully ripe opinions.
(For the record, I find the inside info about manufacturers interesting, so I read those posts ... but It isn't always about me." You guys need to repeat that for a while.)
To the OP:
Whether or not that bike holds up for you is a mystery for now. it really depends on what you do with it.
I have a friend who rides a cheap Walmart bike but he never pushes it at all, and it mostly holds up. He never loads it heavy, never rides it hard, never hits big bumps .... or even rolls off curbs.
As for the bike you bought ... I personally wouldn't trust a suspension fork which sold for less than $150-$200 .... which is about what your whole bike cost. But I say that knowing that I would ride with little skill and much verve and batter the thing, and anything cheap wouldn't last and wouldn't work (a lot of cheap forks are like pogo sticks---they move a little in the parking lot when you lean on them ... and kick back hard if you hit a bump, which lessens control ... and they break if you slam them really hard.)
Same with the rear shock.
Also a lot of the other minor bits ... cheap wheels which won't stay true, levers which bend, cheap hardware which snaps when abused .....
BUT
That is just my experience. You might ride yours and love it.
I would strongly advise against getting Any Walmart-style bike that had Any suspension. But ... you might love yours. And my opinion isn't worth anything. Your riding experience is.
You go ride the thing and You tell Us if it is any good. After all, you are perfectly situated to do product testing, while all we can do is repeat our prejudices.
Secondly ... say what is this thread about? Nothing to do with the OP who could probably use some Real help, not a bunch of folks showing off their specialized knowledge and fully ripe opinions.
(For the record, I find the inside info about manufacturers interesting, so I read those posts ... but It isn't always about me." You guys need to repeat that for a while.)
To the OP:
Whether or not that bike holds up for you is a mystery for now. it really depends on what you do with it.
I have a friend who rides a cheap Walmart bike but he never pushes it at all, and it mostly holds up. He never loads it heavy, never rides it hard, never hits big bumps .... or even rolls off curbs.
As for the bike you bought ... I personally wouldn't trust a suspension fork which sold for less than $150-$200 .... which is about what your whole bike cost. But I say that knowing that I would ride with little skill and much verve and batter the thing, and anything cheap wouldn't last and wouldn't work (a lot of cheap forks are like pogo sticks---they move a little in the parking lot when you lean on them ... and kick back hard if you hit a bump, which lessens control ... and they break if you slam them really hard.)
Same with the rear shock.
Also a lot of the other minor bits ... cheap wheels which won't stay true, levers which bend, cheap hardware which snaps when abused .....
BUT
That is just my experience. You might ride yours and love it.
I would strongly advise against getting Any Walmart-style bike that had Any suspension. But ... you might love yours. And my opinion isn't worth anything. Your riding experience is.
You go ride the thing and You tell Us if it is any good. After all, you are perfectly situated to do product testing, while all we can do is repeat our prejudices.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs;20317718
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Whether or not that bike holds up for you is a mystery for now. it really depends on what you do with it.
I have a friend who rides a cheap Walmart bike but he never pushes it at all, and it mostly holds up. He never loads it heavy, never rides it hard, never hits big bumps .... or even rolls off curbs.
As for the bike you bought ... I personally wouldn't trust a suspension fork which sold for less than $150-$200 .... which is about what your whole bike cost. But I say that knowing that I would ride with little skill and much verve and batter the thing, and anything cheap wouldn't last and wouldn't work (a lot of cheap forks are like pogo sticks---they move a little in the parking lot when you lean on them ... and kick back hard if you hit a bump, which lessens control ... and they break if you slam them really hard.)
Same with the rear shock.
Also a lot of the other minor bits ... cheap wheels which won't stay true, levers which bend, cheap hardware which snaps when abused .....
BUT
That is just my experience. You might ride yours and love it.
I would strongly advise against getting Any Walmart-style bike that had Any suspension. But ... you might love yours. And my opinion isn't worth anything. Your riding experience is.
You go ride the thing and You tell Us if it is any good. After all, you are perfectly situated to do product testing, while all we can do is repeat our prejudices.
Whether or not that bike holds up for you is a mystery for now. it really depends on what you do with it.
I have a friend who rides a cheap Walmart bike but he never pushes it at all, and it mostly holds up. He never loads it heavy, never rides it hard, never hits big bumps .... or even rolls off curbs.
As for the bike you bought ... I personally wouldn't trust a suspension fork which sold for less than $150-$200 .... which is about what your whole bike cost. But I say that knowing that I would ride with little skill and much verve and batter the thing, and anything cheap wouldn't last and wouldn't work (a lot of cheap forks are like pogo sticks---they move a little in the parking lot when you lean on them ... and kick back hard if you hit a bump, which lessens control ... and they break if you slam them really hard.)
Same with the rear shock.
Also a lot of the other minor bits ... cheap wheels which won't stay true, levers which bend, cheap hardware which snaps when abused .....
BUT
That is just my experience. You might ride yours and love it.
I would strongly advise against getting Any Walmart-style bike that had Any suspension. But ... you might love yours. And my opinion isn't worth anything. Your riding experience is.
You go ride the thing and You tell Us if it is any good. After all, you are perfectly situated to do product testing, while all we can do is repeat our prejudices.
My short opinion, as someone who rides a big box bike (an Iron Horse 29er): stay away from cheap dual-suspension bikes. The rear suspension is useless and only for show; that's an awful lot of dead weight to carry around.
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Mongoose Status 2.2 is a full suspension mountain bike for about $180 dollars without any special offers.
Sorry, it is complete trash. it doesn't matter what is the brand, you'll not get a decent new bike for less than 200 dollars, much less a decent full suspension mountain bike.
If I'd were you, I'd return this garbage while it is new, went to local bike shop and bought some entry level hardtail (if mountain bike is what you want). It'll probably cost twice that much and many people will probably still argue that it'll still not be a good bike but it'll be way, way better than any bike sold by Walmart, Target and similar stores. Especially any sub-$200 full suspension mountain bike.
Sorry, it is complete trash. it doesn't matter what is the brand, you'll not get a decent new bike for less than 200 dollars, much less a decent full suspension mountain bike.
If I'd were you, I'd return this garbage while it is new, went to local bike shop and bought some entry level hardtail (if mountain bike is what you want). It'll probably cost twice that much and many people will probably still argue that it'll still not be a good bike but it'll be way, way better than any bike sold by Walmart, Target and similar stores. Especially any sub-$200 full suspension mountain bike.
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And, when my son outgrew the Schwinn, I bought him a new Kona Cinder Cone that retails for $1,200, which I got for slightly less at my local bike shop.
But to repeat, the Mongoose you bought is more a toy than a mountain bike. Cheap and disposable. Return it if you can and get yourself a real bike. That is my advise.
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People are right when they say to spend at least $500 on a mountain bike. It doesn't have to be anything great. I have one of the low-end Trek X-calibers (6) and it's been great for what I do with it. I paid $700 for it new in 2013 and it's been worth every dime. I took it last year for a "deluxe tuneup" at the LBS. Now it rides better than it did when it was new.
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Better to tell a newbie the truth, than to send him out to a mountain bike trail on a bike that won't hold up. When my son competed on a mountain biking team, we saw this every year. Some kids would show up for the first practice on a cheap, Wal Mart mountain bike and discover how bad those bikes really are. One of two things happened. Either they just quit, or in a week or two, they would be riding something better.
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Better to tell a newbie the truth, than to send him out to a mountain bike trail on a bike that won't hold up. When my son competed on a mountain biking team, we saw this every year. Some kids would show up for the first practice on a cheap, Wal Mart mountain bike and discover how bad those bikes really are. One of two things happened. Either they just quit, or in a week or two, they would be riding something better.
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It depends on what they are using it for. Wal Mart/box store bikes have their place. Most people who buy those bikes only ride them 3-5 times a summer and are not as hardcore about bikes as we are. Those bikes are fine to ride around the neighborhood or even flat rail trails or MUTs.
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I agree... yes, he needs a much better bike than the Mongoose, especially if he's riding single track. He wasn't specific about what type of riding he was doing. "Mountain biking" could mean several different things.
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I once read that one of the big box store brands did some market research into how much people ride their bikes. It averaged out to around 150 miles. Therefore they specced/built their bikes to last about 150 miles.
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It depends on what they are using it for. Wal Mart/box store bikes have their place. Most people who buy those bikes only ride them 3-5 times a summer and are not as hardcore about bikes as we are. Those bikes are fine to ride around the neighborhood or even flat rail trails or MUTs.
That said if I were spending what the OP was intending I wouldn't but a dual suspension, you'd get a better and lighter bike for the same amount of money ... I can't believe though my boy when he was 14 ish insisted on something similar, I took him down to a shop that had a decent specialized to try instead but he set his heart on it and wouldn't budge .. it's a heavy piece of S*&t ... funny thing is, he's now in his 2nd year studying rocket scientistry at University ... I wonder which he'd choose now as it's in Bath which is full of hills and must have worked out heavy things take more input to make them go up steep hills by now
People are right when they say to spend at least $500 on a mountain bike. It doesn't have to be anything great. I have one of the low-end Trek X-calibers (6) and it's been great for what I do with it. I paid $700 for it new in 2013 and it's been worth every dime. I took it last year for a "deluxe tuneup" at the LBS. Now it rides better than it did when it was new.
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Problem was, you often got what you paid for.
Trek, quality really nice, but some of the price is a brand premium, you can choose some minority brands, like ICAN etc.
Trek, quality really nice, but some of the price is a brand premium, you can choose some minority brands, like ICAN etc.
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Can't believe this hasn't been posted yet:
Watch the whole video for more fun issues with "box store" brands.
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Modern contract OEM sourcing, the contract describes what the customer, applying importer brand name , desires
and the factory does that, and boxes it up, loads a maritime container full of them
and many thousands of those containers, loaded on a ship, set sail every week..
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and the factory does that, and boxes it up, loads a maritime container full of them
and many thousands of those containers, loaded on a ship, set sail every week..
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Bike frame designs are patented and always changing/improving. The frame may be built in the the same factory to different specifications, but they are not "They build pretty much the same frame for most name brand bikes. Just painted different is all."
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Mongoose | MTB Bikes, Mountain Bikes
Mongoose | Urban, Commuter, Comfort Bikes
https://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/ge...-review-51656/
THESE Mongooses are solid bikes. Standard components, well constructed frames, and priced about the same as other major bike brands. The Selous is a decent cross bike, for instance, and the Guide is reviewed well. But they have no relationship, aside from the name painted on the downtube, with the bikes sold in big box stores. Different manufacturer entirely.
Mongoose | Urban, Commuter, Comfort Bikes
https://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/ge...-review-51656/
THESE Mongooses are solid bikes. Standard components, well constructed frames, and priced about the same as other major bike brands. The Selous is a decent cross bike, for instance, and the Guide is reviewed well. But they have no relationship, aside from the name painted on the downtube, with the bikes sold in big box stores. Different manufacturer entirely.
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Poor OP wanted to find out abot hs bike ... and found himself neck-deep in a pile of ideological arguments. how was he to know that BF is about fighting, not cycling?
He just happened to write a first post that sounded exactly like a bell ringing ... half thought it ws the start of Round One, the other half thought Pavlov had brought the food.
We all have cycling in common ... so of Course we are going to fight about it.
We should rename this place Bike Fights.
He just happened to write a first post that sounded exactly like a bell ringing ... half thought it ws the start of Round One, the other half thought Pavlov had brought the food.
We all have cycling in common ... so of Course we are going to fight about it.
We should rename this place Bike Fights.
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That is not a correct statement.
Bike frame designs are patented and always changing/improving. The frame may be built in the the same factory to different specifications, but they are not "They build pretty much the same frame for most name brand bikes. Just painted different is all."
Bike frame designs are patented and always changing/improving. The frame may be built in the the same factory to different specifications, but they are not "They build pretty much the same frame for most name brand bikes. Just painted different is all."
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Poor OP wanted to find out abot hs bike ... and found himself neck-deep in a pile of ideological arguments. how was he to know that BF is about fighting, not cycling?
He just happened to write a first post that sounded exactly like a bell ringing ... half thought it ws the start of Round One, the other half thought Pavlov had brought the food.
We all have cycling in common ... so of Course we are going to fight about it.
We should rename this place Bike Fights.
He just happened to write a first post that sounded exactly like a bell ringing ... half thought it ws the start of Round One, the other half thought Pavlov had brought the food.
We all have cycling in common ... so of Course we are going to fight about it.
We should rename this place Bike Fights.
hey guys just getting into the world of mountain biking and recently purchased the 26" mongoose status 2.2 mountain bike for all terain, is this a decent brand of bike, it was on special offer at a good price.
Why wasn’t that done ahead of time? Idk, but there’s no point in muddying the discussion, and instead we can point out what is likely to be an area that needs improvement so the OP can really begin to enjoy riding.
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Brand is at its base, a name painted on the frame.. Could be one guy .
hand built frames can be built one at a time..
OTOH the components require a larger scale factory..
In an OEM factory, it's the contracts behind it's specs that matter.
parts to be fitted and brand/logo is part of the requirements..
Importer product managers choose those.
An OEM supplier makes many brands for other companies..
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hand built frames can be built one at a time..
OTOH the components require a larger scale factory..
In an OEM factory, it's the contracts behind it's specs that matter.
parts to be fitted and brand/logo is part of the requirements..
Importer product managers choose those.
An OEM supplier makes many brands for other companies..
...
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Generally in manufacturing (bike frames by Trek lets say for this example), the frame would be designed by Trek’s engineers. That design would go out to suppliers who would be capable of building that frame based on the specs provided by Trek.
Once that supplier builds that frame the initial proofs would go back to Trek for approval by engineers and a QA dept. Once approved the frame manufacturer would supply whatever agreed quantity of those frames to Trek.
Seems unlikely that frame manufacturers just build generic frames, then bike companies would buy those frames and design their bikes around that generic design. I could be wrong, but that sounds ass-backwards to me.
Once that supplier builds that frame the initial proofs would go back to Trek for approval by engineers and a QA dept. Once approved the frame manufacturer would supply whatever agreed quantity of those frames to Trek.
Seems unlikely that frame manufacturers just build generic frames, then bike companies would buy those frames and design their bikes around that generic design. I could be wrong, but that sounds ass-backwards to me.
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Generally in manufacturing (bike frames by Trek lets say for this example), the frame would be designed by Trek’s engineers. That design would go out to suppliers who would be capable of building that frame based on the specs provided by Trek.
Once that supplier builds that frame the initial proofs would go back to Trek for approval by engineers and a QA dept. Once approved the frame manufacturer would supply whatever agreed quantity of those frames to Trek.
Seems unlikely that frame manufacturers just build generic frames, then bike companies would buy those frames and design their bikes around that generic design. I could be wrong, but that sounds ass-backwards to me.
Once that supplier builds that frame the initial proofs would go back to Trek for approval by engineers and a QA dept. Once approved the frame manufacturer would supply whatever agreed quantity of those frames to Trek.
Seems unlikely that frame manufacturers just build generic frames, then bike companies would buy those frames and design their bikes around that generic design. I could be wrong, but that sounds ass-backwards to me.