rocks in head 

I am talking with a guy about a guericotti, he's moving and willing to let it go (presumably cheap), posted asking for offers. I'm trying to figure out what a low-ball offer would be that's going to leave some room to do the restoration, but not offend the guy and still get it.

So far, what I know about this bike is:
"Guerciotti SL 700 frame/fork, Campy Victory, Montreal Durex tubular rims, Red Gina CX chain and freewheel, Panaracer tubulars. Needs TLC. Sold AS-IS best offer"




I don't believe there's a "SL 700" but there was a guerc with SL tubing... and 700 c tubulars? Interesting that there's Campagnolo script next to the Paolo signature. Looks like signature seat stay caps.

rocks in head 

Well, it's definitely a gueer-choo-tee. "Needs TLC" is being generous - it's a bit of a basket case, but mine for $50. Hopefully after a cleaning and stealing the pedals to try on a bike that fits (maybe the alpine), I'll be able to ride it enough to qualify for the clunker 100, since the frame is too small for me. Too bad nobody's looking for vintage tri bars to ruin their bikes with. The elbow pads did a number on the original benotto tape.

Here are some more photos. The bottom bracket appears to be stamped 54M but I can't read it very well and didn't get any pictures. The tubing sticker is columbus but badly disintegrated, the non-drive side has the remains of "specialisima". We'll see if the frame cleans up OK. All Campagnolo everything except for the Suntour Superbe Pro RD. Bummer. It may be nicer than the Victory on there, but it breaks up the set. Getting the replacement piecemeal is going to be a bit harder.

rocks in head 

More pictures because why not?

xiaoman1 

Deal!

T-Mar

It's a 1984 Guerciotti GL 7300. As noted it is a Columbus SL frame with Campagnolo Triomphe group. That decal scheme came out for 1984 and the 1985 version went to dual bottle bosses, so that confirms the year. Original MSRP was $835 US. See attached....

rocks in head 

Thanks @T-Mar, as usual, for the positive ID.

Based on 2-year old sales data:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...lumbus-sl.html

I am hoping this is a ~$400 bike once I do the maintenance items. Delete the tri-specific add-on bits, replace hoods, tape, cable and housing, new glue-ons, and general washing, polishing, greasing, and re-assembly. Tires - 3 for $50, Hoods $23, tape $20, cables and housing - ?, ancillary bits (glue, etc.) $?. Proper rear derailleur - $75 ish range? I don't know if it'd be reflected in final value.

I'm also not sure how to tell the difference between Triomphe and Victory components, neither is as nice as C-record, of course, but on par with Shimano 600 level stuff? 105?

T-Mar

Triomphe and Victory are very similar and often confuse people. The biggest difference is in the brake levers. Higher end Victrory has lightening/gripping holes, while Triomphe does not. The spider on the Victory crankset has straight sides while Triomphe does not, with the chainring end flairing out. The upper and lower pivot bolts on the Victory rear derailleur are the same diameter,while the lower pivot bolt on Triomphe is noticeably larger than the top pivot bolt. Victory's hubs have a raised knurled ring on the quick release nut that is not present on Triomphe. There are other subtler differences but these are four key parameters that I key onto for identification, as they involve the four major components and are typically visible in photos.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of Campagnolo during this period. I feel Shimano is superior, particularly in shifting. If I had to compare Triomphe to anything, it would be 105, even though Triomphe was typically found on much more expensive bicycles.

It's hard to tell if this will make it to the $400 level after clean-up. We'll just have to wait and see.

big chainring 

Testors gloss Red is a perfect match to Guerciotti red. Testors makes a dark red too so check label. You want plain Red.

noobinsf 

vintagerando

score

rocks in head 

Hooray! I was hoping it wouldn't be too hard to match. No base and top coat, sparkle, or fade / splatter makes it easier.

The Yellow Jersey order was twice the purchase price. Oh well. It's going to be a nice bike, and at 56cm c-t-c top and 55cm c-t-t it's only two sizes too small. I may do a sub-$50 restoration, ride it for the clunker challenge, and complete the rest after. I think it'd be possible to just do tires and brake cables for the challenge and ride it as-is. I'm thinking black-wall tubulars, black perforated bar tape with red underneath, black replacement hoods - either Soma or the Serbian ones ripping off the Campagnolo crest... (well, maybe not those, because of the amorality of it). Black cable housing instead of gray. It will not be a replicating what came from the factory, but there are better examples out there for that.

Aubergine 

It was hard to look at those pics. Ow.

xiaoman1 

OP, I don't think a sub 50.00 restoration will make it safe.
Best, Ben

rocks in head 

Hahah... brakes and cables, scuff the old pads, 2/3 of the tire order... barely fits the bill. Hmm, can't ride it with that chain, may not even be able to shift with the current cables, Campagnolo shift cables are pricey. Might as well only do it once.

Aubergine 

rocks in head 

Alas, I've already paid Yellow Jersey for most of the consumables. Plus, I like working on bikes, but if you are interested I'll give you first refusal on the finished product.

Aubergine 

rocks in head 

I'm going to take the prerogative to revive a dead thread... since I've revived a long slumbering project and finally pushed through to a spot where I'm "finished". It's still far from perfect, but overall it's a big improvement from where I bought it. I've ridden it around the block a few times and while the saddle is about the right height, the reach is really short. It's going on the market locally. Anyway, a fast prime lens really makes any bike look good, if you hit the focus just right... might go out for another shoot later.

diphthong

wow! what a turnaround! well done. if it were my size, i'd make an offer.

nomadmax 

You did great!

DMC707

Wonderful job on the cleanup!

rocks in head 

Thanks all,
FYI, since this is the evaluation forum, this went on CL for $500 and sold for $440 in under 24 hours.
There wasn't a *lot* of interest but it wasn't up long. This will make the next few purchases of bicycle parts easier to justify, but I have to say, it doesn't really come too close to fully supporting this hobby.

515Cycling

Great save!

twerpicus

Well done on the restoration! I rode this model as a young track racer - I love this bike. Hope the person you sold it to will enjoy!

TakingMyTime

That turned out much better than I expected. Great job! It just goes to show that you can revive almost anything with enough elbow grease and time.