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Old 11-15-19, 11:04 AM
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kitten aged feral dumpster kitty. She popped out from behind a dumpster at the convenience store and literally followed me home, hollering "ME! ME! ME!"

For her first few months she was a fierce beast. Affectionate but had no idea how to restrain her aggressive play fighting. My ankles were covered in scratches. She'd pounce the two older cats relentlessly, but for some reason didn't bite or scratch them like she did me.
Hmmm, I find my litte Latte interesting. Like your cat, mine came to the back porch and started yowling. Yet she was so shy that she wouldn't let herself be seen. But, would respond to my voice. Then some milk and catfood, and it was all over. She had adopted me.

She is unique with her biting. She'll chomp down on a finger, and I'll tell her "That's my finger". She'll look up at me, then chomp on the thumb for good measure. But, never hard either. She's never drawn blood.

She'll occasionally reach up and put a paw on my cheek or nose, but without claws.

She innately dislikes dogs, and will hiss or growl at dogs while I'm holding her or she is in her cage. Actually introducing her to a dog without control will be the next step. I'm thinking she may be able to hold her own in a cat/dog fight. Of course, I don't want any injuries of either.

She is naturally calming down some. Spaying will be soon. I don't want it to change her personality, but I really don't want a cat that sprays ( apparently females are less likely to spray than males).

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Old 11-15-19, 01:20 PM
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Our cat deeply sleeping, totally motionless. Sleep so deep I could wiggle his extended paw and nothing.
The other night I put some catnip in his play tube. After getting excited and scratching around he went from 10 to 0 in about 10 seconds.

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Old 11-15-19, 03:26 PM
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...Spaying will be soon. I don't want it to change her personality, but I really don't want a cat that sprays ( apparently females are less likely to spray than males).
Spaying is almost always a good idea. Unless the cat will be bred or there's a risk of a bad reaction to anesthesia, it's better to spay. One of my cats never woke after surgery for spaying -- she was young, healthy, a good risk. But most cats do just fine.

Some females will mark their territory just as aggressively as males. That was my dumpster tabby. I procrastinated having her spayed because of the one bad experience I had with another cat. But the cleanup was exasperating (lots of money on enzyme fabric cleaner to salvage a favorite sofa), and she was going into heat every other week. She did just fine with surgery. Same personality just a little less aggressive.

And rescued feral cats are less likely to roam or run away after being neutered. We waited too long to spay another cat, a feral we'd taken in as a kitten. She stayed with us a couple of years, and had a kitten (the one who later died after surgery). For some reason after her kitten was weaned, the mama cat took off. Never saw her again. She had seemed happy and comfortable as a house cat, and didn't spray much when she was in heat. Very docile and likeable cat. But apparently that urge to roam overtook her and she was gone.
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Old 11-15-19, 03:46 PM
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We put neutering Bear off too long, and then it went badly. He's ok now, but wouldn't stop bleeding and had to stay at the animal hospital for a day or two afterwards.

I've been meaning to get him some truck nutz so he doesn't feel deprived...
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Old 11-15-19, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
Spaying is almost always a good idea. Unless the cat will be bred
Hard to say about Latte's history. This is her first venturing in the window.



But, she is strongly litter trained.

I let her out whenever she wants to go out. But, so far I don't think she has ventured by herself more than 50 feet from the house.

But, I've been trying to train her to travel a bit too.



I think she's a bit of a mongrel. Definite yellow stripes on her legs, with something darker. But, who knows if she would have cute kittens. Probably something that I don't wish to deal with. And, one cat is more than plenty.

Anyway, probably off to the vet just after Thanksgiving.
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What to do if cat eye is constantly oozing and he sneezes and sprays snot all the time.
Vet says there is nothing really wrong. Even when he boards for two weeks at a time the caregivers (at same location as vet) they don't report any issue.
We ask and they say some cats just are like that. Some established viral infection or something like that. He had all his required or standard vaccinations (like FHV) as a kitten
Is there a cure or do they just live with it? I can't live with it, it can be disgusting.
His nose always has red to brown spots on it too. Maybe it is an external irritant?

sure i've read stuff like this: https://www.petmd.com/cat/emergency/...asal_discharge
Hmmm...
Is that a long-term problem or a short-term problem?

Perhaps an antihistamine? You'd have to be careful about the dose though.
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Old 11-15-19, 04:11 PM
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What to do if cat eye is constantly oozing and he sneezes and sprays snot all the time.
Vet says there is nothing really wrong. Even when he boards for two weeks at a time the caregivers (at same location as vet) they don't report any issue.
We ask and they say some cats just are like that. Some established viral infection or something like that. He had all his required or standard vaccinations (like FHV) as a kitten
Is there a cure or do they just live with it? I can't live with it, it can be disgusting.
His nose always has red to brown spots on it too. Maybe it is an external irritant?

sure i've read stuff like this: https://www.petmd.com/cat/emergency/...asal_discharge
What's the aqi like? My vet told me cats usually respond very well to air purifiers.
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Old 11-15-19, 04:15 PM
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It has been a chronic long term problem. It does vary, but never completely goes away.
Air is dusty desert air and all kinds of pollens. He spends a good amount of time outdoors with an always open cat door.
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Old 11-15-19, 04:25 PM
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My advice is try air purifiers and keep the humidity around 50%, but I have an asthmatic kitty and when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail. That said, you don't have to have asthma to be sneezy. Maybe he (or she?) is just more sensitive. Even with an always open cat door it probably might not be enough air transfer to make it a waste?

That's the only advice I've got.
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Old 11-15-19, 04:37 PM
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Old 11-15-19, 04:55 PM
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Hard to tell with persistent sniffles and sneezing. Sometimes it's seasonal allergies. Sometimes more persistent. Sometimes a virus or something more serious. Check with a vet.

Two of my three cats had the snotty sniffles, sneezing and boogery eyes this October, but that month we had much higher than usual airborne allergens. I was miserable all month. I only used saline eyedrops on the cats, no meds. Gotta be careful about eyedrops intended for humans. The tetrahydrozoline can be toxic if ingested, and animals groom themselves a lot so they can ingest even a tiny amount of eyedrops and become sick. Unfortunately when some people learned tetrahydrozoline was toxic they put it in people's drinks and food as a "prank," thinking it would only cause nausea and vomiting or diarrhea. In large amounts it can kill people who are vulnerable.

Some of my friends who rarely have allergies complained about "flu," but it was just allergies. Really, really bad allergies. Feels almost as bad as flu. Some folks even run a low grade fever, have body aches, etc. But if it clears up a bit with antihistamines and decongestant, it probably isn't "flu". Real colds and flu don't respond to antihistamines, which is why those all-in-one meds like Nyquil are useless and probably ill-advised. Too much bad pooky, like multiple anti-cholinergics that can cause cognitive problems and even hallucinations in some folks.

Anyway, the cats' allergy symptoms all cleared up by November. I have sinus allergies year 'round.
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Originally Posted by noisebeam View Post
What to do if cat eye is constantly oozing and he sneezes and sprays snot all the time.
Here is an article about cat allergies.

https://pets.webmd.com/cats/cat-alle...ptoms-triggers

You may not be able to control some outside environmental factors, but you can control things like cat litter, as well as your own laundry detergent and household cleansing agents.

I got really tired of scented cat litter very quickly. So, no more supermarket litter, mine now comes from the feed store.

I really like the standard clumping cat litter which seems to have minimum dust, and is easy to keep clean. But, there is also unscented silica litter that should be very clean, although potentially harder to deal with the urine.

The article also talks about special hypo-allergenic cat food. It looks like it is a little more expensive, but you could start with the expensive stuff. Then if it makes a difference, experiment with different brands and flavors.

It does seem to indicate that antihistamines should be a last choice, and potentially only used occasionally if you expect a bad situation.

Good Luck
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Thanks Cliff. [ I deleted some of the off topic stuff.]

Now back to kitty pics

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If you want to send the cat to Seattle I can test this for you.
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Ditto, the cat litter. Even cats don't like that cheap dusty clay stuff. I've found it saves money to buy good clumping litter. Much less unpleasant for us and the cats. Lasts up to a week. Less dust and sinus aggravation.

Now, if I could find an equivalent in food that would reduce the barfing. The problem with cats that groom themselves a lot is they barf a lot, both hacking up hairballs and food when they eat too quickly. I brush my three every day, so we have fewer hairball problems. They seem happier and calmer too with regular grooming. But the Siamese dowager empress kitty has always had a sensitive tummy, although she mostly gags and retches without much upchuck. But my fat tabby floof loaf gorges and barfs like every day is cheerleader tryouts and bikini season.
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My cats and I got the same cold a few years ago anf some lysine cleared it up for all of us.
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Ditto, the cat litter. Even cats don't like that cheap dusty clay stuff. I've found it saves money to buy good clumping litter. Much less unpleasant for us and the cats. Lasts up to a week. Less dust and sinus aggravation.

Now, if I could find an equivalent in food that would reduce the barfing. The problem with cats that groom themselves a lot is they barf a lot, both hacking up hairballs and food when they eat too quickly. I brush my three every day, so we have fewer hairball problems. They seem happier and calmer too with regular grooming. But the Siamese dowager empress kitty has always had a sensitive tummy, although she mostly gags and retches without much upchuck. But my fat tabby floof loaf gorges and barfs like every day is cheerleader tryouts and bikini season.
Something seems off here...or maybe my pur-children are just better in this regard. My Old Man cat has maybe one kitty puke episode a month, max. Little Guy doesn't have them with any regularity, although he is young and tends to have runny poos (seeing a vet about that, ATM).

Of course...the other problem is they love to be social and share food. So putting one on a diet of something means both are going to eat it.
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Parsley is on a diet. Bear has to eat in the bathroom. It's hard on all three of us. Bear prefers to graze a little when he goes by the food, now he needs me to get it for him, and he won't eat unless I'm right there. If I put him in the bathroom alone with his favorite food, he gets anxious and won't eat a bite. But he'll steal my food if I turn my back. Go figure.
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Yup, it's difficult to regulate food with multiple pets. Especially cats -- they tend to want food available 24/7 for grazing. My two older cats don't overeat but the younger tabby does.

I've tried changing their diet but it didn't work out. And if I don't keep the food dish filled at all times the tabby with gorge and barf. It works out better overall if I just keep the dish topped up. Tabmonster is less likely to stress out and think she'll starve to death, then gorge and barf.

So I just give them regular Iams in the orange bag. I've tried many other foods, including some pricey boutique stuff. But the three cats all seem to do better on regular Iams.
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Thanks Cliff. [ I deleted some of the off topic stuff.]

Now back to kitty pics
You can always try Zyrtec. Half a pill. Worked for my departed boy. It's what my cat specialist vet recommended.
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I have three. I'm trying to avoid falling into the N+1 trap for cats.
I'm trying to have better kidneys than Socks had.
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Mine is supposed to earn her keep... soon... as a very expensive mousetrap.
I put "cat will earn its keep by catching mice" in the same category as "I'm going to re-sell this bike I flipped for profit."

Both are nice ideas.

(I love my cats but I have no delusions as to their utility.)
I'm pretty sure that cats were not domesticated to be lap furballs...

I've had a bit of a mouse problem. And, today we have Latte's first confirmed kill.

It took her at least an hour to make sure it was REALLY DEAD after it stopped moving.

Then she came over to eat some dry catfood. The next step, of course, is for her to learn it isn't just a toy, but that she just caught her DINNER.
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The next step, of course, is for her to learn it isn't just a toy, but that she just caught her DINNER.
Careful. Mice can transmit fleas.
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Careful. Mice can transmit fleas.
Fleas might be a major concern for Latte, but not that big of a concern for me. Especially environmentally contracted fleas should be easy to treat.

I am getting her caught up on vaccines... just in case she might catch a bat, or get something from prey that can be vaccinated against.

Plus, as an indoor/outdoor cat, who knows what she'll come into contact with.
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Fleas might be a major concern for Latte, but not that big of a concern for me.
That's what I meant. Our vet found some flea dirt on my previous buddy. Since he didn't spend much time outside she suggested they came from the several mice he had caught. We had a hoarder living next door. Several nights we heard them scurrying in the walls. (I live in a row home.) She sold her house years ago, and the purchaser gutted and rehabbed the place. Spoke to the crew hired to clean out the trash in the house. The filled at four of those large C&D containers with junk. They said junk was stacked up to the joists in the basement, with only little walkways to navigate. They also found rats' nests. As soon as the place was cleaned out the relatively frequent mouse sightings stopped. Now I usually only get the occasional one in the winter, when it's very cold.
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