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Old 11-08-19, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Stadjer View Post
Not familiar with the lyrics, but it isn't Ziggy Stardust the ultimate self referential song in the sense that it is the story of this falling rockstar that sings it?
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Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
Yes, but that specific someone probably thinks 'this song', the one Carly is singing, is about him. This song mentioning this song is the point
I used to be woken by a radio alarm clock during an evergreen hour and then I would often have the songs enter my dreams in that half awake stat. I felt quite a guy at that age and remember waking up to that song feeling caught because in that last bit of dream I had pictured myself as the one she describes. I took it personal.

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ps I can't stand David Bowie, and I also can't stand Prince, for the same musical quality they share that I can't put my finger on. (It's not the androgyny)
I love them both, but they are somehow in the same category for me too.
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I can roll, I can feel
And you can't stop me turning
Cause I'm the sun, I'm the sun
I can move, I can run
But you'll never stop me burning
Come down with fire
Lift my spirit higher
Someone's screaming my name
Come and make me holy againI'm the man on the silver mountain
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I'm the day, I'm the day
I can show you the way
And look I'm right beside you
I'm the night, I'm the night
I'm the dark and the light
With eyes that see inside you
Come down with fire
Lift my spirit higher
Someone's screaming my name
Come and make me holy againI'm the man on the silver mountain
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Old 11-08-19, 12:35 PM
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I am having a bit trouble following the examples. I first understood this to be for songs that refer to themselves, not songs that refer to or are about the artist or singer. Or are both possibilities? The later has endless examples and are not so interesting.
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Old 11-08-19, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Stadjer View Post
Not familiar with the lyrics, but it isn't Ziggy Stardust the ultimate self referential song in the sense that it is the story of this falling rockstar that sings it?
Hmmm. Is Bowie really Ziggy? He's not playing a guitar left-handed (at least not in that concert video)

In the same vein, I think a little more clearly Billy Joel is The Piano Man (especially assuming he or any other performer ever played this song in a bar)


Are the Beatles really Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band? (either way I bet they really do "hope that you enjoy the show")


And that kind of opens the door to any eponymous song in which the band introduces themselves as a band
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Old 11-08-19, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by noisebeam View Post
I am having a bit trouble following the examples. I first understood this to be for songs that refer to themselves, not songs that refer to or are about the artist or singer. Or are both possibilities? The later has endless examples and are not so interesting.
You're on the same page as me, I mean songs that refer to the song itself, not the artist theirself. And the latter is indeed less interesting and has endless examples.

There are lots of nominations popping in that don't seem to grasp that distinction, I'm getting tired of knocking them down

So a song that is just about the singer is generally not what I'm talking about. But something like Ziggy Stardust, which at least is about the singer as a singer, singing songs, is at least in the right direction, blurring the lines.
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Old 11-08-19, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Stadjer View Post
That embed is not working for me, but I looked it up. I'm not sure that qualifies. I wouldn't say a funk band couldn't play rock, but I do say that song is not rock, it is funk. If it was actually a rock song, then it could be the song that song is talking about.
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Old 11-08-19, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
It doesn't count if the singer talks about their self.
that's my interpretation of self-referential
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It depends on which self the word self is referring to. I'm not talking about singers who are self-referential, I'm talking about songs that are self-referential.

As noted by noisebeam, songs where the singer talks about theirself are so common as to not be interesting as a category.
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Old 11-08-19, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by clemsongirl View Post
that's my interpretation of self-referential
That's logical - the song has self-referential content if the singer refers to himself - but not what OP was anticipating IMO.

I couldn't resist commenting because your definition is itself self-referential!
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Old 11-08-19, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
You're on the same page as me, I mean songs that refer to the song itself, not the artist theirself. And the latter is indeed less interesting and has endless examples.

There are lots of nominations popping in that don't seem to grasp that distinction, I'm getting tired of knocking them down

So a song that is just about the singer is generally not what I'm talking about. But something like Ziggy Stardust, which at least is about the singer as a singer, singing songs, is at least in the right direction, blurring the lines.
maybe your being a bit harsh in judgement? https://www.treblezine.com/10-essent...rential-songs/
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Old 11-08-19, 04:16 PM
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naw, I'm just talking about what I'm talking about (songs that refer to their own song selves), and they (and apparently a bunch of y'all) are talking about something else (artists that refer to their own artist selves)

It's a free forum though, anybody can go start a thread about self-referential artists instead of self-referential songs

Also it's a free thread, I can't stop anybody from posting whatever they want, and nobody can stop me from politely saying 'that's not what I'm talking about'
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
I couldn't resist commenting because your definition is itself self-referential!
which just, intentionally, reinforced the selection of songs i posted.......
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Originally Posted by clemsongirl View Post
which just, intentionally, reinforced the selection of songs i posted.......
Naturally so, which I thought well played.
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"Look what they've done to my song, Ma
Look what they've done to my song
Well it's the only thing I could do half right
And it's turning out all wrong, Ma
Look what they've done to my song..."



^I think I finally came up with one that fits. Here's a 'bonus' track that does not fit. This hippie chick can really sing:

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Originally Posted by chewybrian View Post
"Look what they've done to my song, Ma
Look what they've done to my song
Well it's the only thing I could do half right
And it's turning out all wrong, Ma
Look what they've done to my song..."

^I think I finally came up with one that fits.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
I don't get it. Carly Simon is referring to a specific someone in "You're so Vain".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_So_Vain
That's the way I've always heard it, Warren Beatty if I remember correctly
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Similar to the Billy Joel's 'Piano Man':

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That's the way I've always heard it, Warren Beatty if I remember correctly
Warren Beatty? That song is about me.
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Originally Posted by chewybrian View Post
James Taylor - Fire and Rain
"...and I wrote down this song"

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