Have you or will you use the drive thru ATM on your bike?
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ATM: yes, fast food: no
I regularly bike through the ATM lane at my bank. I have never had a problem. The ATM machine works just as well for a cyclist as for a driver.
Fast food ordering systems, however, do not always work for bicycles. At the fast food place I worked at, the speakers and microphones were activated by an induction loop under the pavement. Occasionally people would come through on bicycles, on foot, and in wheelchairs. We could see them on the monitor but could not hear them nor talk to them. Often times they would get irate and storm into the store or they would refuse to move and hold up traffic and we would have to go out and explain to them why it would not work. They usually did not believe us and got more irate until we threatened to call the police if they did not leave.
Fast food ordering systems, however, do not always work for bicycles. At the fast food place I worked at, the speakers and microphones were activated by an induction loop under the pavement. Occasionally people would come through on bicycles, on foot, and in wheelchairs. We could see them on the monitor but could not hear them nor talk to them. Often times they would get irate and storm into the store or they would refuse to move and hold up traffic and we would have to go out and explain to them why it would not work. They usually did not believe us and got more irate until we threatened to call the police if they did not leave.
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Let me take a wild guess who you're going to sue next. See the reason behind the corporate policy?
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I ride up to the drive-up atm often.
I would welcome commentary on that fact by drivers who feel I might be inconveniencing them - particularly ones who quote made-up rules to justify it - but that hasn't happened at all.
I would welcome commentary on that fact by drivers who feel I might be inconveniencing them - particularly ones who quote made-up rules to justify it - but that hasn't happened at all.
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The only time I've come close to being refused service at a drive through was at a 24 hr Burger King after the lobby area was closed... After the manager told me that I would NOT get service there I said "Look, my wife is PMS'ing and wants a chocolate shake. You want me to send HER down here to get it?" I got the chocolate shake post-haste.
I've used the drive up ATM at various banks numerous times on foot and on bike (most recently just last night) and never had anyone say anything about it.
I've used the drive up ATM at various banks numerous times on foot and on bike (most recently just last night) and never had anyone say anything about it.
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I did not read all the post, but Ihave used an ATM recently on my bicycle and did not even think about it. Easier to do even.
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Those of us who live in America have this thing called lawsuits. When you're at the drive up ATM, you're in private property. What if some drunk guy pulls up behind you and flattens you? You're left being a vegetable the rest of your life and I'm sure you'll want to be compensated, correct? You sue the driver, who doesn't have auto insurance, is on welfare and spends his foodstamp money on PBRs & cigarettes.
Let me take a wild guess who you're going to sue next. See the reason behind the corporate policy?
Let me take a wild guess who you're going to sue next. See the reason behind the corporate policy?
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In the state of Maine, a person on a bicycle may use the drive thru at any business. However, you do so at your own risk, negating the liability issues referenced above by a previous poster.
https://www.meetup.com/Portland-Bike-...e_Bicycle_Laws
https://www.meetup.com/Portland-Bike-...e_Bicycle_Laws
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Those of us who live in America have this thing called lawsuits. When you're at the drive up ATM, you're in private property. What if some drunk guy pulls up behind you and flattens you? You're left being a vegetable the rest of your life and I'm sure you'll want to be compensated, correct? You sue the driver, who doesn't have auto insurance, is on welfare and spends his foodstamp money on PBRs & cigarettes.
Let me take a wild guess who you're going to sue next. See the reason behind the corporate policy?
Let me take a wild guess who you're going to sue next. See the reason behind the corporate policy?
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I bike up to the drive-through ATM all the time. My closest bank branch office doesn't have a walk-up ATM.
I've waited in line with traffic for the ATM but rarely is there more than one other customer there. Drivers who wait behind me usually stay way back.
I also bike up to pharmacy drive-thrus without any problems to speak of. I don't use fast food drive thrus on the bike because I'd rather walk in. One exception, when I didn't have my lock with me after a long road ride, resulted in the drive-through window operator saying "We don't serve bikes." I said, "The bike isn't hungry." She scowled at me but took my order. I think she realized that I stank, and so keeping me outside was a service to her other customers.
I've waited in line with traffic for the ATM but rarely is there more than one other customer there. Drivers who wait behind me usually stay way back.
I also bike up to pharmacy drive-thrus without any problems to speak of. I don't use fast food drive thrus on the bike because I'd rather walk in. One exception, when I didn't have my lock with me after a long road ride, resulted in the drive-through window operator saying "We don't serve bikes." I said, "The bike isn't hungry." She scowled at me but took my order. I think she realized that I stank, and so keeping me outside was a service to her other customers.
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The Drive-up ATM is probably fine, but the regular drive through banking stations may not be. after using these a couple of times, they told me through the speaker that I was not allowed to use these stations on my bike, that I had to come inside. probably a policy based on fear of lawsuits.
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ATMs are one place a recumbent has a natural advantage over a diamond frame bike. You can sit down and do your banking just like a motorist.
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I use drive up ATM/teller windows all the time on my bicycle and to my knowledge no one has given a second thought about it, including myself.
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I have used an ATM on bike once or twice. However, I mostly get cash from the "cash back" feature at the grocery store. No need for an extra trip to the bank.
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This needs to be posted on twitter.
There's a website for silly stuff like this.
https://therealfirstworldproblems.tumblr.com/
There's a website for silly stuff like this.
https://therealfirstworldproblems.tumblr.com/
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I guess I'll have to take a Fifth when the enforcement come knocking at my door.
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I bike to the drive up ATMs at three branches of my bank regularly. I've never considered that it might be a problem.
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The drunk is probably driving the biggest SUV made so he could flatten me in my modest sized car as well, not to mention the "smart car" and other tiny car drivers. Plus if I parked my bike and walked into the bank the drunk would flatten me on his way in or out as I walked across the parking lot. Nice try, but this argument does not justify rules against bike use of drive-thru ATMs or teller stations.
Let me play along with your story. If a drunk driver is driving a Hummer H2 and will be rear ending me at 20mph, would I want to be:
A - in a modest sized car
B - a "Smart Car"
C - on a bicycle
Note: If you haven't noticed, answers A & B will provide you with protection in the form of a steel cage. You will be surrounded by a steel cage with crumple zones. This steel cage weighs roughly 2,000lbs.
Answer C provides me with protection in the form of a helmet & bicycle fingerless gloves. At least when I rode a motorized bike, I have knee sliders, elbow, shoulder, chest/kidney protection. But I still wouldn't want to be rear ended at 20mph.
In response to your comment about getting flattened by a drunk driver on your way to the bank, it has nothing to do with your choice of being a cyclist. A pedestrian can be flattened just as easily. I don't see your point.
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Nice try, but my observation does justify why a corporate institution wouldn't want any unnecessary liability. I would rather lose ONE customer than to alter my corporate policy to accommodate a tiny portion of the public who chooses a bicycle as their main mode of transportation (who is stubborn enough to threaten to never do business with me again even though I provide other alternatives to your banking needs....aka walk through the front door).
I've run into the same situation with bike clubs that require use of helmets. Some are upfront that it was just a policy decision made by them, but others pass the buck to insurance company requirements. But the main carrier used by bike clubs has no requirement for helmet use on club rides nor does their suggested waiver form even mention helmets. While I can't know if there might be some other insurance company that does have a mandatory helmet policy, I have yet to hear of one.
I'd also note that there's a big difference between being able to sue and being successful. Unless the business was pretty clearly negligent in some way in the design of their drive-up area I would expect a jury to place the entire fault on the driver who ran into the cyclist and not assign any blame to the business. I've been on a couple juries and at least in those cases we deliberated very thoughtfully before reaching a decision.
As to the original question, I've used both ATMs and drive-up tellers (back before ATMs) while cycling. Only had a problem at one bank with the drive-up tellers - after that they were no longer our bank.
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I think that fast food restaurants (and banks) are much more justified in excluding pedestrians at their drive up windows. Pedestrians follow no rules and can appear suddenly from behind structures or parked cars when they try to use facilities that are not designed to accommodate them. Cyclists are completely different. We use the facility in the same way an automobile or motorcycle would use it. We follow the traffic rules as well as the drivers of those vehicles do and are just as predictable as they are. In the tight confines of this type of facility with sharp access turns and short straight portions we don't even proceed at a lower rate of speed than they do. So we do not inconvenience them by being there except by being ahead of them in line and that is an inconvenience they have no legitimate reason to complain about. There simply is no reason, insurance risk or otherwise, to exclude us. I say don't patronize a bank that does not want us.
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I'd also note that there's a big difference between being able to sue and being successful. Unless the business was pretty clearly negligent in some way in the design of their drive-up area I would expect a jury to place the entire fault on the driver who ran into the cyclist and not assign any blame to the business. I've been on a couple juries and at least in those cases we deliberated very thoughtfully before reaching a decision.
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HA!
The Roseville Police Department needs help identifying a man who robbed two banks located inside Sunrise Avenue grocery stores over the past two months.
At around noon on May 14, the man robbed River City Bank inside the Bel Air supermarket (1039 Sunrise Avenue). He was spotted riding away on a mountain bike.
At about 1:45 p.m. on June 22, the same man robbed the U.S. Bank branch inside Safeway (898 Sunrise Avenue). In both robberies, the suspect gave the teller a note demanding money. No weapon was seen, and no one reported being injured during either robbery.
I use the Atm Drive thru if its open I dont Give a dam. Only takes me 15 mins to get there!
The Roseville Police Department needs help identifying a man who robbed two banks located inside Sunrise Avenue grocery stores over the past two months.
At around noon on May 14, the man robbed River City Bank inside the Bel Air supermarket (1039 Sunrise Avenue). He was spotted riding away on a mountain bike.
At about 1:45 p.m. on June 22, the same man robbed the U.S. Bank branch inside Safeway (898 Sunrise Avenue). In both robberies, the suspect gave the teller a note demanding money. No weapon was seen, and no one reported being injured during either robbery.
I use the Atm Drive thru if its open I dont Give a dam. Only takes me 15 mins to get there!
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