hamcereal

Hello hello

I found this frame on the side of the road on my way to work the other day... Looks to be a Peugeot, but I can't seem to find any info on this chromed frame. Looks like it used to have some decals, but someone removed them...
I was intrigued by the non lugged frame and the nice alloy cranks. Also the "Guidons Phillipe / Franco Italia D352" are nice with the Peugeot stamped stem.
Simplex shifter levers and derailleur and Weinmann brakes/levers.
Serial number is under the BB shell running along the circumference: Y3101724

Any info would be appreciated!

Thanks!

Aubergine 

It may have used some Peugeot branded parts but the giveaway for me is that the dropout is not a Simplex product. Thus, those derailleurs were definitely not original. That said, the frame has some indicators of being made with good steel. The fork crown, for example, is of a type used on higher end bikes.

For more clues you should check the threading on the bottom bracket and the interior diameter of the seat tube.

juvela

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you may find a clockface type date marking on the backside of the brake caliper arms



be aware that at this era you may discover the bottom bracket thread to be CH


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hamcereal

I just found this little decal at the bottom of the seat tube behind the crank...

Aubergine 

The 1982 Peugeot catalog can be found here: https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broc...20Brochure.htm

juvela

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good detective work!

here is a manufacturer brochure for the 1982 model year; this is nominally for the U.S. rather than for the Canadian market

https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broc...20Brochure.htm

cycle appears to line up pretty closely with the model designated as the PBN10 -

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a similar appearing machine a notch or two uprange is the PSV10 model -

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at first glance thought the chainset on your cycle to be the Stronglight model 104
then noticed in the closeup that the spider looks to be swaged rather than forged and the chainwheels appear they may be riveted, do not know the model name for this set - other readers are sure to have it

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ah, here we go; here is the 1982 Canada market brochure -

​​​​​​https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broc...20Brochure.htm


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Aubergine 

it is not a Carbolite model because the Carbolite bikes never used the curved two-prong fork crown. Also, although at least some of the Carbolite bikes did have integrated derailleur hangers designed for Japanese derailleurs, they were stamped steel, not the forged ones on this bike.


Again, this bike uses Simplex derailleurs and would require Simplex dropouts. So I honestly dunno which of Peugeot’s cornucopia of models this could be.

juvela

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"it is not a Carbolite model because the Carbolite bikes never used the curved two-prong fork crown. Also, although at least some of the Carbolite bikes did have integrated derailleur hangers designed for Japanese derailleurs, they were stamped steel, not the forged ones on this bike."

gaze again upon the dropouts of the subject machine

they are of stamped sheet

not how the inner face of the dropout is concave where the outer face is convex



have no investment in model name of cycle

attempting only to help poster by moving along their inquiry

whatever it turns out to be is fine with me


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Aubergine 

Ah, I think I agree with you there. Still, I until recently had a P4 bike from ‘86 that had stamped dropouts. They were pretty flimsy, not even as sturdy as the ones on the op’s frame. I got that bike cheap because the original owner had snagged his derailleur in a spoke and twisted the dropout way out of shape. I gently tugged and twisted it into position again.

hamcereal

Here's maybe a better photo of the chain rings

hamcereal

Ok I think it's a PH9
The description in the brochure says the frame is "smokey black" but I think the chrome was darkened somehow with a finish, and maybe over the years the finish faded away, and so it just seems chrome. I googled the 1983 PH9 and found some other pictures of a chromed frame, I think it fits the bill.
Thank you all for the help!

juvela

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great to read you got it sorted all on your own without any mis-direction from us kibbitzers in the peanut gallery!


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year -

the 1982 transfer you found could be that your example was produced in the last quarter of that year
factories typically make a changeover in the month of september to commence the production of the next year's models

also it it could that the 1982 transfer was yet in use during the year 1983

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chainset -

Solida is an economy marque from Haubtman (Etablissements Verot-Perrin, makers of Stronglight branded products) hence the resemblance to the Verot model 104 set

unfortunately the Solida model 5470 chainset is not listed at VB

expect to discover a CH shell on the machine

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please stay with the forum - your detective skills are sure to help other readers with identification queries


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Chombi1 

Geeze!, It lookz like that bike's been through the wringer! At least it looks like the frame is still in one piece.
It will require a full restoration

Hummer

Hello hamcereal and thank-you for posting the information about your bicycle.

The serial number on the frame is for a frame manufactured by Peugeot at the Romilly-sur-Seine facility in Frane, as indicated by the letter "Y".
The first digit "3" is for 1983 and the next two digits "10" October, for the date of frame manufacture.

The model year of the complete bicycle is 1983 or 1984. The Velo Sport label is an indication that the bicycle was for the Canadian market.

Velo Sport Inc was formed in 1972 in Grandby, Quebec and distributed Cycles Peugeot.
The company was sold in 1974 to a group in Saint-Georges de Beauce, Quebec which included Roger Dutil.
Roger Dutil later convinced Cycles Peugeot to grant a license to manufacture and distribute the Peugeot brand in Canada.

Cycles Peugeot models in Canada in the 1980s were very often unique to Canada.




This bicycle appears to be a PH9 Challenger model and would have Carbolite frame tubing.

The dropouts are common to several models of Peugeot in the mid-1980s.

The fork has the same crown as a PB12 which is a Canadian model.

This model was similar to the P10L model distributed in Europe.

Peugeot P10L




https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...s-peugeot.html

hamcereal

Thank you! I always like finding out the history of the bikes I come across, very much appreciate the information you've provided!