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1971 Peugeot PX10 info needed please

Old 01-25-21, 07:36 PM
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1971 Peugeot PX10 info needed please

I have always been a fan of Peugeot's PX10 so I finally decided to get one. After a long search I finally have one a 71 model, it's in shipping now. My question is, this one is not the usual white but a metallic blue. I have read of them in blue and seen a few online. The 71 catalog states white or blue but it seems 90% or more are white. Anyone know the percentage of blue ones? Blue is no my favorite color but I don't want to change something that may be better left the odd color if it is truly something uncommon.


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That looks to be in great condition. If you are asking for permission to paint it, NO you can't. Some one may trade their white one with you but I bet later you will be sorry. I don't know the ratio of white to blue PX-10s.
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No I'm not looking for permission, like I stated I don't want to mess it up if it's uncommon/rare. But if it's something that didn't matter that might be another story.
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A bike boom era Peugeot PX10 is really not rare. Blue however, is certainly less common than white. If you do paint it you wonít really be doing a disservice to humanity, however, from here that paint looks great! I know we canít see the whole bike but if the rest of it looks this good then I think youíre going to have a very difficult time improving on what is already in place. If it were me Iíd ride it as is for awhile to make certain that I really wanted to paint it. The color may grow on you. I also should note that if you havenít yet laid eyes on the bike other than in pics, this color looks even better in person than in photos.

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Thank you. My plan is to ride it as is to be sure everything works properly. Later tear it down completely and refresh everything. As far as a repaint,,,,, probably not, as it is a big expense and a lot of work. I would like to get a bare frameset someday and do it up the way I would like, white and all Campy nuovo record.

Here is a pix of the whole bike. Please no comments on the huge reflectors or pink straw things on the spokes. Those will go in the trash before it comes in the house.
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This is such a great find! Looks to be in amazing shape. Now you just need a nice saddle. What will you be mounting atop that seat post?
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This is such a great find! Congratulations! Looks to be in amazing shape. Now you just need a nice saddle. What will you be mounting atop that seat post?
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Very nice! what size? Look bigger than 58 or equivalent. I think the sold based on inches. FD and shifters already replaced.
I would replace the brake housings at the minimum and likely the cables too, not to mention the pads. Too many kinks for good braking performance.
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The Peugeot PX10, like the OP's, is not all that rare but it is iconic and extremely well know as a collectable vintage racing bicycle. Two have come my way, over the year, and both proved to offer great ride quality not to mention generous eye appeal. In my opinion, seek to keep the bicycle as original as you can. The X10 series are always worth a look or two, in my book...

Bent frame (I repaired it) and painted with a brush...


Number two, as original as I could keep it...
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That's a really great find. Like the others said, you really don't want to paint this bike.

For a saddle, a brooks would look great and they're still available. Plus lots of French bikes came with Brooks saddles.

If you live in an area with lots of hills, you may want to play with the gear ratios. That stronglight 93 crank has a 122 bcd which means you can go as low as 37 on the inside. Alternatively, you can turn that crank into a triple but that is a more complicated project.

122 BCD Triplizer, 42 Teeth

Or just go with a 37 tooth inner chainring: 122 BCD Conventional Chainring, 37 Teeth

Kool stop makes brake pads for mafac brakes:

Kool Stop International - High Performance Bicycle Brake Pads Since 1977

Rustoleum is your friend for dealing with the rust on the various bits (like the Mafac brake springs).

Also that water bottle cage is one of the best vintage cages made. It's a steel TA. They're hard to find in decent shape. I know I've looked. So use it. Personally I'd mount that cage on the downtube and the pump on the seattube. The pump on the top tube though is how a lot of French bikes were set up BITD including quite likely this bike:

https://www.bikeboompeugeot.com/Broc...0Page%2017.jpg

If you need inexpensive tubulars, they're available at yellow jersey at 3 for $50

tubular tire sewup tire Servizio Corse $19.95 tubular tires at Yellow Jersey; possibly the Best Value Tubular In America for 2020!

I'd reuse those plugs as they look to be in good shape but replace the tape with black cloth tape like newbaums.

And you will want to overhaul that bike ASAP before riding it. You will need the right puller for that stronglight crank.

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The blues are pretty uncommon, relatively. Only thing less common in the 70s are red/maroon, silver or gold. I think I've only seen gold in the PY bikes.

Yours looks to be around 62cm based on the head tube size. There are at least two of us on BF right now with blue ones (pics in this thread), but the vast majority you'll see on here and elsewhere are white.

The paint and decals are so nice on yours, you'd hafta be crazy to paint it.. Compare to the one in the 4th reply of that thread I just linked, also a '71, which is the more-typical well-ridden condition to find things.

Nice bike, and has the more popular lugset.
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I have a very nice brooks saddle in brown that will go onto it.
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According to the seller it is 25 inches, Google converts that to 63.5 cm's.

I will replace the consumables.
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For what its worth the PX was purchased from a bike donation project called "Shifting-Gears-Bike-Donations" out of Indiana. Someone donated it to them and they auction off the nice ones to raise money for there program. The auction started at $0.99 plus shipping. Only one other person bid on this one. Can't wait to see it in person
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You got yourself a lovely PX10 if you are a very tall individual! The blue color is much less common and incredibly beautiful IMHO. Within the past month I passed on my 54cm blue '72 PX10 to polymorphself after I finally gave in and admitted that it was just too small for me. I loved that bike and hope someday to find a 56cm! For the love of God please don't ruin that paint...

Here is a link to his build and a photo of it before it left my stable.

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...-finished.html

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"I've never seen a blue PX-10, and I never hope to see one ..."

I have seen exactly one blue PX-10, owned by a fellow passenger on our bicycle-friendly commuter rail line (https://gonctd.com/services/coaster-commuter-rail/), and lots of white ones. When I worked at a Peugeot/Nishiki dealership in the early 1970s, all of our P*-10 bikes were white. My boss had to have a PX-10 as his personal bike, but he gave up trying to break in the Brooks Pro saddle after about a week -- best $5 I ever spent on a bicycle component.
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Early PX-10 with Nervex lugs later ones had Bocama (?) lugs.
Nice find...bidding at .99 one other bidder.....even better!
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to xiaoman 1 : the earlier px10s used Nervex Pro lugs, in 72 they switched to Nervex "Duobois"
in 73 they went back to Nervex Pro. As to the OPs idea of finding a bare frame and building it up with Campy
It's been done many many times. I have a much cooler idea. build that bare frame with the best the
French had to offer just before they went under around 198?.Jubile derailleurs, TA Tevano cranks,
TA pedals or Rodger Peele pedals, Mafac sidepulls or CLB, Ideale 2002 seat. It will be lighter and prettier!!!
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PX-10 Information Thread.


...as stated a couple of times, the blue ones from the early 70's are uncommon.
The non-white ones came more into vogue in the late 70's, and 80's. with the Super Competition models.

I think it's because the white and black, with the checkerboard graphics is what showed up in racing.
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to xiaoman 1 : the earlier px10s used Nervex Pro lugs, in 72 they switched to Nervex "Duobois"
in 73 they went back to Nervex Pro. As to the OPs idea of finding a bare frame and building it up with Campy
It's been done many many times. I have a much cooler idea. build that bare frame with the best the
French had to offer just before they went under around 198?.Jubile derailleurs, TA Tevano cranks,
TA pedals or Rodger Peele pedals, Mafac sidepulls or CLB, Ideale 2002 seat. It will be lighter and prettier!!!
Thanks, that's why the question mark....my 60's had the Neverex Pros not the "smooth" lugs on the OP's bike, I have both styles.
Up to the OP to build anyway he chooses...it appears close to the original sans seat, I would leave it original, down to the hard to find simplex S.P....BTJM.
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I have a much cooler idea. build that bare frame with the best the
French had to offer just before they went under around 198?.Jubile derailleurs, TA Tevano cranks,
TA pedals or Rodger Peele pedals, Mafac sidepulls or CLB, Ideale 2002 seat. It will be lighter and prettier!!!
Yes! This is the general direction I decided to go with the blue PX-10 I linked to above, after this pile of Ti and alloy French parts failed to sell on the C&V sales forum. Mostly because I didn't want to need to modify the dropout to install Campy or something Japanese. Although I may end up installing unbranded Simplex retrofrictions, still haven't decided yet

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Yes! This is the general direction I decided to go with the blue PX-10 I linked to above, after this pile of Ti and alloy French parts failed to sell on the C&V sales forum. Mostly because I didn't want to need to modify the dropout to install Campy or something Japanese. Although I may end up installing unbranded Simplex retrofrictions, still haven't decided yet
...if you look over in the information thread at post # 10, there's a link to a long post by verktyg that tells you what you need to know on using the earlier Japanese derailleurs like Crane and Tourney.

They are not hard to find on e-bay, but a little harder to find over at the co-op these days, cheaper. The only modification to the drop is running a fine thread 10mm tap through the hanger, and it will still work with an original Simplex rear derailleur if you decide to go back. Takes about ten minutes to make the swap, with the rear wheel removed. Crane is a pretty solid rear derailleur, and even the short cage models will handle a 28 cog. The long cage models will handle almost any gearing you can dream up.
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...if you look over in the information thread at post # 10, there's a link to a long post by verktyg that tells you what you need to know on using the earlier Japanese derailleurs like Crane and Tourney.
Oui, mais ce n'est pas "tout FranÁais"!

I was aware of the ability to tap, hence the point about Japanese. However, now you mention it, I do have a pretty nice 1974 Crane RD that never wound up selling over in C&V Sales forum too, and a full tap/die set. Funny, the Huret/Nervar stuff I was putting on here didn't sell either. Must be pricing my stuff too high this last year or two, I usually just take the average recent eBay 'sold' prices then subtract 20-25% to figure out where I'll list things on BF.

Anyway, that's good info for OP, but I'd still cajole into opting for French components.
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...I don't have one in front of me right now, and I don't remember. But I'm not sure that Huret rear derailleur will work without modifying the dropout. Huret had their own proprietary dropout stop, which is absent on a Simplex dropout. Maybe you already know this, or maybe if I look at the Huret derailleurs I have in the garage, it will become clearer to me ?
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...I don't have one in front of me right now, and I don't remember. But I'm not sure that Huret rear derailleur will work without modifying the dropout. Huret had their own proprietary dropout stop, which is absent on a Simplex dropout. Maybe you already know this, or maybe if I look at the Huret derailleurs I have in the garage, it will become clearer to me ?
"This rear mech comes with the adapter to fit any dropout except Huret dropouts. It came off a bike with Shimano dropouts, but will fit Campy, Simplex, etc. Read more."
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