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Old 04-26-20, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Piff View Post
Rise...Rise!

I know it's an old thread, but does anyone know the proper bottom bracket spindle length for these cranks? I bought some Suntour Road Vx cranks, and, according to an old advert, they're interchangeable with the Maxy. Which is good, because I can find hardly any info on Vx cranks.

So, anyone know a good spindle length? I'm assuming it'll be somewhere around 120mm.

Edit: I found this spindle on looses crews, 124mm Sugino Maxy spindle. Seems like the right size. I'll confirm or deny once the cranks arrive.

https://www.loosescrews.com/product/...dle-bolt-type/
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121.5mm, for English (68mm) BB shell. 127.5mm for Italian (70mm) BB shell.
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Old 04-26-20, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
121.5mm, for English (68mm) BB shell. 127.5mm for Italian (70mm) BB shell.
Wow, that is fantastic, thank you.
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Old 04-26-20, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by niliraga View Post
I've seen Arabesques both ways - although I very rarely find the swaged ones. Not sure if it was an evolution over time or from some "second tier" version of the line.
Arabesque is FC-6200 forged not swaged.
FC-6100 is the first 5 arm "600" and is swaged and preceeds 6200 by 1 year.
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then this must have been the Jackalope of shimano cranks that year! (only close up shot i have left)




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Arabesque is FC-6200 forged not swaged.
FC-6100 is the first 5 arm "600" and is swaged and preceeds 6200 by 1 year.
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Old 04-26-20, 08:29 PM
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Yes it does look different; sharp corner at crank arm & star. The one I have does not have that sharp edge.
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Clearly swaged https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.as...m=115&AbsPos=1
Not swaged https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.as...m=115&AbsPos=0
I need to check my DX-4000 more closely; the photo is a spare set.

This turned into a thread hijack; sorry OP.


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also, you can see on the swaged one the spider arms are quite different - the fluting on each arm is less carefully done and shallower, and rather than taper elegantly towards each crank bolt, the arms flare out again. very odd duck, this was.


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Yes it does look different; sharp corner at crank arm & star. The one I have does not have that sharp edge.
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Clearly swaged VeloBase.com - Component: Shimano FC-6200, 600EX Arabesque
Not swaged VeloBase.com - Component: Shimano FC-6200, 600EX Arabesque
I need to check my DX-4000 more closely; the photo is a spare set.
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With a stronlight triplizer unswaged
although I've never had a problem with either style.
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Swaged Maxy was dealer-installed original on a '78 Trek TX770 (called a 912 on the original invoice) I bought from the original owner.​​​​​​​
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Originally Posted by Hudson308 View Post
Swaged Maxy was dealer-installed original on a '78 Trek TX770 (called a 912 on the original invoice) I bought from the original owner.
​​​​​​​always liked the look of that crank. 110 bcd?
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I've known one Maxy II crank to fail, the predecessor to this one. The spider, including the swaged part, was already damaged when I began working with it but I was using it as the mockup for my K-Mart Triple, a 34-45 double with a 22T freewheel cog bolted onto the spider as a granny gear and that was mostly to get the spacing right. First ride I shifted into the 22 front and 34 rear and spun the spider so I got this crank (Fuji-branded Maxy II) and have had no problems.
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Originally Posted by 52telecaster View Post
always liked the look of that crank. 110 bcd?
Yes, according to Velobase. Looks about right, too.
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Originally Posted by dmark View Post
Yes it does look different; sharp corner at crank arm & star. The one I have does not have that sharp edge.
Velobase:
Clearly swaged VeloBase.com - Component: Shimano FC-6200, 600EX Arabesque
Not swaged VeloBase.com - Component: Shimano FC-6200, 600EX Arabesque
I need to check my DX-4000 more closely; the photo is a spare set.

This turned into a thread hijack; sorry OP.

No, no, it's just picking up the threads from those discussing it 9 years ago. Fitting to get to the bottom of the mystery

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I've known one Maxy II crank to fail, the predecessor to this one. The spider, including the swaged part, was already damaged when I began working with it but I was using it as the mockup for my K-Mart Triple, a 34-45 double with a 22T freewheel cog bolted onto the spider as a granny gear and that was mostly to get the spacing right. First ride I shifted into the 22 front and 34 rear and spun the spider so I got this crank (Fuji-branded Maxy II) and have had no problems.
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That is truly something else...and you've had no issues so far? Do you ever use the granny gear while standing up and grinding up steep hills, or is it mostly used with smooth pedaling?

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Originally Posted by Piff View Post
​​That is truly something else...and you've had no issues so far? Do you ever use the granny gear while standing up and grinding up steep hills, or is it mostly used with smooth pedaling?
No issues but not huge miles over the years. And I'm a lightweight, not physically but muscularly, so no grinding for me. I do have a pretty smooth cadence.
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Found this thing that's been hiding in the garage, a Super Maxy of the T/A look. Just the one arm and it appears to be swaged.


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Originally Posted by thumpism View Post
Found this thing that's been hiding in the garage, a Super Maxy of the T/A look. Just the one arm and it appears to be swaged.


Swaged or not, that's pretty cool!
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End Nut for Sugino Maxy

Hi! Im quite new here but I'm looking for what end nuts I need to attach the sugino cranks I have to the bottom bracket of the Vittorio bike I am trying to build. Any ideas?
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Originally Posted by simonab View Post
Hi! Im quite new here but I'm looking for what end nuts I need to attach the sugino cranks I have to the bottom bracket of the Vittorio bike I am trying to build. Any ideas?
here are some pictures of the cranks
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I found some sugino spindle nut 14mm online, would those work?
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I tried to open your image files but the PDF download would not open.
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I'm trying to post them as JPEG files but it won't let me because I'm a newbie and I need to have posted 10 times at least
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these should work!
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Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd View Post
Not in my book. Even the 600 Arabesque cranks are swaged. I've never heard of one failing. I'm sure there have been instances, but I don't think it's something to be concerned about.
SOME early 600 Arabesque are swaged most are not.
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simonab what does the spindle look like? I can't quite see it in the picture. If it is as I suspect a normal spindle with a threaded stud then a 14mm nut should work - as far as I know it can be any brand as long as its the correct thread for the spindle. I have swapped SR, campy, and Sugino cranks on the same spindle with the same nuts.
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Originally Posted by markk900 View Post
simonab what does the spindle look like? I can't quite see it in the picture. If it is as I suspect a normal spindle with a threaded stud then a 14mm nut should work - as far as I know it can be any brand as long as its the correct thread for the spindle. I have swapped SR, campy, and Sugino cranks on the same spindle with the same nuts.
The nuts are 10mm x 1.25 and typically have a flange with a special surface:


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oneclick Yes I should have been more specific - 10x1.25 with a 14mm head; flanged nut. I was referring to a "standard crank nut".....
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