Cant indificate this bike
06-13-23, 08:24 AM
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Cant indificate this bike
Hi! Who can halp me identificate the frame of my bike, it looks like vintage European frame with sachs and weinmann components but im just found only one serial on drop out and cant identificate it.
PS Maybe its bike from German
PSS cant upload the images
PS Maybe its bike from German
PSS cant upload the images
06-13-23, 08:52 AM
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are it this?
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06-13-23, 09:33 AM
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suspect you may be on correct track with idea of a Germany origin for the cycle
Sachs gear ensemble and Altenburger brake set could be original components...
frame constructed with Agrati bits -
the bulge-formed head is "AM" pattern N. 000.8046
the semi-sloping fork crown is Agrati item N. 001.8518
possible the plain square cut bottom bracket shell may be Agrati item N. 000.8517
ends set is not Agrati
looks like chain stay bridge will be ESGE plate style
German producers employed a fair amount of Agrati frame bits, especially bulge-formed heads
no guesses as to maker
other more knowledgeable readers will be along shortly with better information for you
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suspect you may be on correct track with idea of a Germany origin for the cycle
Sachs gear ensemble and Altenburger brake set could be original components...
frame constructed with Agrati bits -
the bulge-formed head is "AM" pattern N. 000.8046
the semi-sloping fork crown is Agrati item N. 001.8518
possible the plain square cut bottom bracket shell may be Agrati item N. 000.8517
ends set is not Agrati
looks like chain stay bridge will be ESGE plate style
German producers employed a fair amount of Agrati frame bits, especially bulge-formed heads
no guesses as to maker
other more knowledgeable readers will be along shortly with better information for you
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06-13-23, 10:47 AM
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fittings plausible to possibly be original:
headset
chainset
brake set
gear ensemble
fittings clearly not original:
wheels
saddle pillar
saddle
date:
the Sachs gear components should exhibit a date mark
it is in the form of four digits
the first two numbers indicate the week of the year
the send two numbers indicate the year
this could be checked against the date marking on the back side of the chainset's Sakae Ringyo model Silstar-5DXC drive side crank arm
guide to reading markings here -
Date of Manufacture of Bicycle Components can be used to date a bike: component dating
if the two dates are close it could suggest both components original
of course it could also indicate they came from the same donor bicycle...
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fittings plausible to possibly be original:
headset
chainset
brake set
gear ensemble
fittings clearly not original:
wheels
saddle pillar
saddle
date:
the Sachs gear components should exhibit a date mark
it is in the form of four digits
the first two numbers indicate the week of the year
the send two numbers indicate the year
this could be checked against the date marking on the back side of the chainset's Sakae Ringyo model Silstar-5DXC drive side crank arm
guide to reading markings here -
Date of Manufacture of Bicycle Components can be used to date a bike: component dating
if the two dates are close it could suggest both components original
of course it could also indicate they came from the same donor bicycle...
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06-13-23, 01:14 PM
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the poor thing hath transited a rough lifetime
we need to keep in mind that what we are seeing in the fork may be what a fork straightener deemed to be "aligned"
when a machine achieves this state and a poster requests marque/model/date type identification it can be a real -
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the poor thing hath transited a rough lifetime
we need to keep in mind that what we are seeing in the fork may be what a fork straightener deemed to be "aligned"
when a machine achieves this state and a poster requests marque/model/date type identification it can be a real -
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06-13-23, 04:14 PM
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Could also be STAIGER of Austria, and maybe it lost some bits over the years like a dynamo holder, or it was a "racier" sport model, where the raciness was supplied by not having one.
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06-13-23, 04:34 PM
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a good number of matching details there.
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we are joshing about the bicycle's fork but it is something which merits looking into
for example, the impact which deformed the blades may have also deformed the steerer (fork tube)
if this is the case the headset will alternately bind and slip when the fork is turned in a bind-slip-bind-slip pattern
this affects steering and control of the cycle which is a safety issue
fork should either be aligned by someone who knows what they are doing or else it should be replaced
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