Notices
Classic and Vintage Sales Private Sales Only, no online storefronts. All prices must be quoted, we are not an auction site.

WTB: 58cm frameset

Old 07-16-19, 02:58 PM
  #1  
mnmkpedals 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Puget Sound
Posts: 585
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 6 Posts
WTB: 58cm frameset

Just discovered my SBDU made Raleigh USA Reynolds 753 frameset is bent. Was kind of my grail bike. Sigh....

Looking for a good condition frame of comparable higher quality for build. Got a Campy 10s Chorus group waiting for a modernized build.

Need 58cm
Ideally British Bottom Bracket
Ideally with headset (I hate sourcing/sizing headsets)
80s-ish w/ 130 dropouts

Open to all ideas; just looking for a cool "keeper" and rider.

Last edited by mnmkpedals; 07-16-19 at 09:26 PM.
mnmkpedals is offline  
Old 07-16-19, 03:42 PM
  #2  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,127
Mentioned: 480 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3788 Post(s)
Liked 6,574 Times in 2,580 Posts
58cm center to top? What’s your preferred top-tube length? And wth that component group, I gather you’re looking for something 80s or younger?
nlerner is offline  
Old 07-16-19, 04:05 PM
  #3  
Spaghetti Legs 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Central Virginia
Posts: 5,085

Bikes: Numerous

Mentioned: 150 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1672 Post(s)
Liked 3,034 Times in 904 Posts
In case there is a little wiggle room on your fit.

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...59-ish-cm.html
__________________
N = '96 Colnago C40, '04 Wilier Alpe D'Huez, '10 Colnago EPS, '85 Merckx Pro, '89 Merckx Century, '86 Tommasini Professional, '04 Teschner Aero FX Pro, '05 Alan Carbon Cross, '86 De Rosa Professional, '82 Colnago Super, '95 Gios Compact Pro, '95 Carrera Zeus, '84 Basso Gap, ‘89 Cinelli Supercorsa, ‘83 Bianchi Specialissima, ‘VO Randonneur, Ritchey Breakaway Steel, '84 Paletti Super Prestige, Heron Randonneur

Spaghetti Legs is offline  
Old 07-16-19, 04:08 PM
  #4  
merziac
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 14,101

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 267 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4494 Post(s)
Liked 6,300 Times in 3,633 Posts
Originally Posted by mnmkpedals
Just discovered my SBDU made Raleigh USA Reynolds 753 frameset is bent. Was kind of my grail bike. Sigh....

Looking for a good condition frame of comparable higher quality for build. Got a Campy 10s Chorus group waiting for a modernized build.

Need 58cm
Ideally British Bottom Bracket
Ideally with headset (I hate sourcing/sizing headsets)

Open to all ideas; just looking for a cool "keeper" and rider.
How bad? I am sure you know it can probably be straightened and you're in a good place for that. This frame is easily one that should be fixed. How about some pics and what led to just discovering it?

Sounds like job for @gugie.
merziac is online now  
Old 07-16-19, 04:16 PM
  #5  
515Cycling
Junior Member
 
515Cycling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 118

Bikes: 2020 Trek Emonda, 1976 Colnago Super

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 39 Post(s)
Liked 75 Times in 27 Posts
How about an Italian frame? I have a Viner that I specifically bought to do a retro build. It is a 58cm. I think its a good frame but its not like taking a Colnago or Masi and doing a retro build. I know you said English BB but I may be able to provide an Italian BB for you. It needs to be painted. May be more than you wanted to do, but I thought I would throw it out there.
515Cycling is offline  
Old 07-16-19, 04:44 PM
  #6  
gugie 
Bike Butcher of Portland
 
gugie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 11,641

Bikes: It's complicated.

Mentioned: 1299 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4670 Post(s)
Liked 5,769 Times in 2,272 Posts
Operators are standing by...
__________________
If someone tells you that you have enough bicycles and you don't need any more, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
gugie is offline  
Old 07-16-19, 05:04 PM
  #7  
mnmkpedals 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Puget Sound
Posts: 585
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by merziac
How bad? I am sure you know it can probably be straightened and you're in a good place for that. This frame is easily one that should be fixed. How about some pics and what led to just discovering it?

Sounds like job for @gugie.
Thanks for the nudge of confidence in trying to fix it, which would be my preference. Several other folks have given me the same advice to at least try that (the shop where it was isn't super steel-experienced) so I'm gonna go get another opinion locally tomorrow. Crossing fingers.
mnmkpedals is offline  
Old 07-16-19, 05:30 PM
  #8  
Kactus
Senior Member
 
Kactus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tacoma, WA
Posts: 2,828

Bikes: 1962 Schwinn Paramount P12, 1971 Schwinn Paramount P13-9

Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 344 Post(s)
Liked 33 Times in 20 Posts
I've got a 23-1/2", '78 Raleigh Professional that I need to sell. It is currently built up but that can be fixed. It sounds like you are close to me if you want to take a look.
Kactus is offline  
Old 07-16-19, 05:36 PM
  #9  
mnmkpedals 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Puget Sound
Posts: 585
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by merziac
How bad? I am sure you know it can probably be straightened and you're in a good place for that. This frame is easily one that should be fixed. How about some pics and what led to just discovering it?

Sounds like job for @gugie.
Okay, best I can do with pics here.... Hard to see. But hope the tilt in handlebars is apparent? I was told the headtub and seat tube we out of alignment to cause it, and in the shop, I think I could see it. At home, to be honest, hard to tell, though the lean in the bars is clear to me.

mnmkpedals is offline  
Old 07-16-19, 06:08 PM
  #10  
merziac
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 14,101

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 267 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4494 Post(s)
Liked 6,300 Times in 3,633 Posts
Originally Posted by mnmkpedals
Okay, best I can do with pics here.... Hard to see. But hope the tilt in handlebars is apparent? I was told the headtub and seat tube we out of alignment to cause it, and in the shop, I think I could see it. At home, to be honest, hard to tell, though the lean in the bars is clear to me.

You have a good pic in that it looks centered and the rear dropouts and triangle line up good from here.

To my eye, the bars are cocked in the stem, look at the spacing of the bars where they enter the stem on each side. Might be a mismatch that finally manifested itself.

I would meetup with @Dfrost and @RiddleOfSteel at their bike co-op for proper C+V evaluation.

Even if this is a frame issue, it should not be life threatening, a good frame builder should be able to make short work of this.

I would encourage you not to consult anyone that does not have steel framebuilding experience.
merziac is online now  
Old 07-16-19, 06:13 PM
  #11  
niliraga 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 557

Bikes: 1970s Coppi/Fiorelli beater, 1973 Raleigh Competition, 1972 Bob Jackson, 1970 Cilo Sprint-X, 1985 Fuji Touring Series IV, 1969 Legnano Roma

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 217 Post(s)
Liked 198 Times in 129 Posts
cabling hassle aside, you could maybe remove bars & stem and drop them back in backwards (ie. stem reaching over top tube, facing rearwards) and look again -- if the tilt remains in the same direction as it is now, then that would indicate a tilted headtube. but if the tilt moves the other way, then it would indicate the bars/stem junction is the problem and maybe your frame is just fine?
niliraga is offline  
Old 07-16-19, 06:14 PM
  #12  
merziac
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 14,101

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 267 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4494 Post(s)
Liked 6,300 Times in 3,633 Posts
Originally Posted by mnmkpedals
Thanks for the nudge of confidence in trying to fix it, which would be my preference. Several other folks have given me the same advice to at least try that (the shop where it was isn't super steel-experienced) so I'm gonna go get another opinion locally tomorrow. Crossing fingers.
Also, this presents a perfect oppertunity to procure a backup stablemate, a 78 Raleigh Pro would make an excellent pairing.
merziac is online now  
Old 07-16-19, 06:16 PM
  #13  
merziac
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 14,101

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 267 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4494 Post(s)
Liked 6,300 Times in 3,633 Posts
Originally Posted by gugie
Operators are standing by...
merziac is online now  
Old 07-16-19, 06:43 PM
  #14  
RiddleOfSteel
Master Parts Rearranger
 
RiddleOfSteel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Portlandia's Kuiper Belt, OR
Posts: 4,680

Bikes: 1982 Trek 720 - 1985 Trek 620 - 1984 Trek 620 - 1980 Trek 510 - Other luminaries past and present

Mentioned: 221 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1553 Post(s)
Liked 2,006 Times in 984 Posts
Originally Posted by mnmkpedals
Okay, best I can do with pics here.... Hard to see. But hope the tilt in handlebars is apparent? I was told the headtub and seat tube we out of alignment to cause it, and in the shop, I think I could see it. At home, to be honest, hard to tell, though the lean in the bars is clear to me.

Have you considered that the stem and/or bars may be tweaked? If you have some other stems and bars, I would try that to see if you could replicate it. I would think that a HT and a ST out of alignment would be indication of something pretty catastrophic, because you'd have to see the bend in both of them...or cracks at joints, etc. To say nothing of how the headset behaves--does it spin smoothly, bind, or is it loose depending on angle?

A different stem and bar, for comparison, is a cheap and easy thing to do to check (which is something I think you'd want), and I wouldn't put either of those being bent beyond the realm of possibilities. Start with simple things and go from there is my advice.
RiddleOfSteel is offline  
Old 07-16-19, 06:59 PM
  #15  
Kactus
Senior Member
 
Kactus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tacoma, WA
Posts: 2,828

Bikes: 1962 Schwinn Paramount P12, 1971 Schwinn Paramount P13-9

Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 344 Post(s)
Liked 33 Times in 20 Posts
Originally Posted by merziac
Also, this presents a perfect oppertunity to procure a backup stablemate, a 78 Raleigh Pro would make an excellent pairing.


Maybe something like this?
Kactus is offline  
Old 07-16-19, 07:05 PM
  #16  
merziac
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 14,101

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 267 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4494 Post(s)
Liked 6,300 Times in 3,633 Posts
Originally Posted by Kactus


Maybe something like this?
Exactly
merziac is online now  
Old 07-16-19, 09:25 PM
  #17  
mnmkpedals 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Puget Sound
Posts: 585
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel
Have you considered that the stem and/or bars may be tweaked? If you have some other stems and bars, I would try that to see if you could replicate it. I would think that a HT and a ST out of alignment would be indication of something pretty catastrophic, because you'd have to see the bend in both of them...or cracks at joints, etc. To say nothing of how the headset behaves--does it spin smoothly, bind, or is it loose depending on angle?

A different stem and bar, for comparison, is a cheap and easy thing to do to check (which is something I think you'd want), and I wouldn't put either of those being bent beyond the realm of possibilities. Start with simple things and go from there is my advice.
So, I had a brief bit of time, took it by Aaron's for a second opinion. Pretty much did what you suggested pulling off stem and bars and then got to scrutinizing it and cleaned some, and alas.... yup, revealed a crack at headtube lug. Not sure if clear in pic, but yeah, bummer. Stem was also bent. I know these can be repaired, but don't have that ambition in me with this right now, so yeah, definitely gonna slowly seek out the right replacement frame now!



Last edited by mnmkpedals; 07-16-19 at 10:28 PM.
mnmkpedals is offline  
Old 07-17-19, 12:41 AM
  #18  
RiddleOfSteel
Master Parts Rearranger
 
RiddleOfSteel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Portlandia's Kuiper Belt, OR
Posts: 4,680

Bikes: 1982 Trek 720 - 1985 Trek 620 - 1984 Trek 620 - 1980 Trek 510 - Other luminaries past and present

Mentioned: 221 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1553 Post(s)
Liked 2,006 Times in 984 Posts
Originally Posted by mnmkpedals
So, I had a brief bit of time, took it by Aaron's for a second opinion. Pretty much did what you suggested pulling off stem and bars and then got to scrutinizing it and cleaned some, and alas.... yup, revealed a crack at headtube lug. Not sure if clear in pic, but yeah, bummer. Stem was also bent. I know these can be repaired, but don't have that ambition in me with this right now, so yeah, definitely gonna slowly seek out the right replacement frame now!




Ah man, so sorry to hear that! Man, that must have been some impact.
RiddleOfSteel is offline  
Old 07-17-19, 05:34 AM
  #19  
cudak888 
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 28,496

Bikes: https://www.theheadbadge.com

Mentioned: 123 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2401 Post(s)
Liked 4,350 Times in 2,075 Posts
FYI, 753's heat treating makes cold setting a very poor option.

I believe it could be repaired though, but the heating turns 753 into 531, IIRC. Even for an SBDU, it's easier to dig up another frame than start over.

Wouldn't be the first one damaged either; I have a photo of a 753 SBDU that was front-endered somewhere in the computer. Since it was already destroyed, I put it in the Park HTS-1 straightening tool it to see how long it would take before the heat-treated 753 cracked. Took just a few turns.

EDIT: Found it.






-Kurt
__________________













Last edited by cudak888; 07-17-19 at 05:46 AM.
cudak888 is offline  
Old 07-17-19, 07:47 AM
  #20  
easyupbug 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,652

Bikes: too many sparkly Italians, some sweet Americans and a couple interesting Japanese

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 560 Post(s)
Liked 546 Times in 396 Posts
Sorry to hear, I just lost a like new Tange 1 Ironman frame with a lug crack, factory marble paint so respray out of the question. No help to you now but Years ago I bought a custom 753 that was unrideable, Marchetti frame and fork alignment table and $100 to a frame builder it is one of my favorite rides with 1,000s of miles now.
easyupbug is offline  
Old 07-17-19, 10:23 AM
  #21  
Kactus
Senior Member
 
Kactus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tacoma, WA
Posts: 2,828

Bikes: 1962 Schwinn Paramount P12, 1971 Schwinn Paramount P13-9

Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 344 Post(s)
Liked 33 Times in 20 Posts
Originally Posted by mnmkpedals
I know these can be repaired, but don't have that ambition in me with this right now, so yeah, definitely gonna slowly seek out the right replacement frame now!
Mine is available; either frame or whole bike if you would be interested.
Kactus is offline  
Old 07-17-19, 01:50 PM
  #22  
merziac
Senior Member
 
merziac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 14,101

Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2

Mentioned: 267 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4494 Post(s)
Liked 6,300 Times in 3,633 Posts
Originally Posted by mnmkpedals
So, I had a brief bit of time, took it by Aaron's for a second opinion. Pretty much did what you suggested pulling off stem and bars and then got to scrutinizing it and cleaned some, and alas.... yup, revealed a crack at headtube lug. Not sure if clear in pic, but yeah, bummer. Stem was also bent. I know these can be repaired, but don't have that ambition in me with this right now, so yeah, definitely gonna slowly seek out the right replacement frame now!


So can't see very good but still don't think this is life threatening, is there more damage we can't see? The crack is going to be limited by another layer. even if it continues it won't happen overnight. No way I would give up on this short or long term.

More/better pics?

You really need to get it to gugie.
merziac is online now  
Old 07-17-19, 07:14 PM
  #23  
AeroGut
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 679
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 254 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 182 Times in 141 Posts
I've got this mid-90's Coppi that's about 58 cm c-c seat tube:

I think it meets all your criteria except that the BB threading is Italian, but I'd sell it with the square taper BB that's in it now (also with or without the wheels in the photo).

Last edited by AeroGut; 07-17-19 at 07:16 PM. Reason: incorrect link
AeroGut is offline  
Old 07-19-19, 07:14 AM
  #24  
easyupbug 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,652

Bikes: too many sparkly Italians, some sweet Americans and a couple interesting Japanese

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 560 Post(s)
Liked 546 Times in 396 Posts
Gut, I really have never liked fade paint and have had 2 resprayed for only that reason, but have to admit that is a sharp paint job I would keep, bet it is a sweet ride as well.
easyupbug is offline  
Old 07-21-19, 08:50 AM
  #25  
SamSpade1941 
Senior Member
 
SamSpade1941's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 854
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 490 Post(s)
Liked 68 Times in 54 Posts
Buy my Allez it is a 58 and I am certain it could be cold set, but it would sort of be a shame to do so ...

SamSpade1941 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
dan3324
Classic and Vintage Sales
9
02-26-18 12:05 PM
Chombi1
Classic and Vintage Sales
0
12-01-17 03:35 AM
sloar
Classic and Vintage Sales
23
07-27-17 02:29 PM
Tradarcher
Classic and Vintage Sales
1
01-24-16 12:06 PM
YouthxCrew
Classic and Vintage Sales
6
05-15-15 07:31 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.