Replacing chain after 1350 miles
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Replacing chain after 1350 miles
I needed to clean and lube my chain today. I normally do this at home, but since I was in the co-op at the time I decided to go ahead and use the Park tool chain checker. It failed the .5% measurement and very nearly failed the .75% one! I was really surprised because the chain only has 1350 miles on it. I ride in the rain quite a bit, but I'm pretty good about wiping the chain down and keeping it properly lubed.
I'm on a 2015 Bianchi Volpe with a 3x10 Tiagra drivetrain. Any recommendations for a new chain that might hold up better?
I'm on a 2015 Bianchi Volpe with a 3x10 Tiagra drivetrain. Any recommendations for a new chain that might hold up better?
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Try measuring the chain again with a ruler. That doesn't sound right
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That doesn't sound right to me either. You shouldn't have to replace a chain on a new bike in the first year.
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I'll check it again tomorrow, but I'm not optimistic. I tried with two different chain checkers at the co-op, and got the same reading with both. I did see somewhere that 10-speed chains are okay until they fail the .75% test, so I may get a few hundred more miles out of it.
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The only accurate chain-checkers are the ones from Shimano.
The others mix roller wear with chain stretch, and are useful only for selling chains.
So you are better off using a ruler.
Full explanation: https://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-004/000.html
The others mix roller wear with chain stretch, and are useful only for selling chains.
So you are better off using a ruler.
Full explanation: https://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-004/000.html
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The only accurate chain-checkers are the ones from Shimano.
The others mix roller wear with chain stretch, and are useful only for selling chains.
So you are better off using a ruler.
Full explanation: https://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-004/000.html
The others mix roller wear with chain stretch, and are useful only for selling chains.
So you are better off using a ruler.
Full explanation: https://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-004/000.html
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Milage varies a lot depending on conditions - rider weight, terraine (hills or flats), cadence, riding style including hard sprints, climbing standing or seated, type and frequency of lube, etc.
I've heard people getting only 1,000 miles or so but I've also heard of 6-7000 miles too. But 1350 seems on the very low.
Please post again tomorrow how the ruler measurement comes out. I'm curious.
I've heard people getting only 1,000 miles or so but I've also heard of 6-7000 miles too. But 1350 seems on the very low.
Please post again tomorrow how the ruler measurement comes out. I'm curious.
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The KMC X10.93 that came with the bike lasted about 1,800 miles before it was past 0.5% stretch. Replaced it with a KMC X10-SL (nitrided) checked it at ~3,400 miles and it was past 0.75%, and sounded horrible when pedaling under heavy load. Replaced a few days ago with the cheapest chain I could get my hands on, a Shimano Tiagra CN-4601. I'll see how it goes.
And I never ride in the rain (okay, I've ridden in wet all of twice) so if the OP regularly rides in the wet, I don't see a chain going out in 1,350 miles being out of the question. I got 1,800 in the dry, and I was doing a lot less hills at that time than I did after I got the nitrided chain.
And I never ride in the rain (okay, I've ridden in wet all of twice) so if the OP regularly rides in the wet, I don't see a chain going out in 1,350 miles being out of the question. I got 1,800 in the dry, and I was doing a lot less hills at that time than I did after I got the nitrided chain.
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Meh. Chains are pretty cheap, and it is certainly cheaper to replace a chain on the early side rather than waiting and needing to replace chainwheels and cassettes earlier than necessary.
I get an average of 1400 miles out of a chain (std. dev. is 500 miles) this measured over ten chains used to date on a commuter ridden year round in all weather. Drive train is 3 x 7. I typically replace them when they exceed .75 using a Park tool. I typically notice the difference, too.
I get an average of 1400 miles out of a chain (std. dev. is 500 miles) this measured over ten chains used to date on a commuter ridden year round in all weather. Drive train is 3 x 7. I typically replace them when they exceed .75 using a Park tool. I typically notice the difference, too.
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The KMC X10.93 that came with the bike lasted about 1,800 miles before it was past 0.5% stretch. Replaced it with a KMC X10-SL (nitrided) checked it at ~3,400 miles and it was past 0.75%, and sounded horrible when pedaling under heavy load. Replaced a few days ago with the cheapest chain I could get my hands on, a Shimano Tiagra CN-4601. I'll see how it goes.
And I never ride in the rain (okay, I've ridden in wet all of twice) so if the OP regularly rides in the wet, I don't see a chain going out in 1,350 miles being out of the question. I got 1,800 in the dry, and I was doing a lot less hills at that time than I did after I got the nitrided chain.
And I never ride in the rain (okay, I've ridden in wet all of twice) so if the OP regularly rides in the wet, I don't see a chain going out in 1,350 miles being out of the question. I got 1,800 in the dry, and I was doing a lot less hills at that time than I did after I got the nitrided chain.
Meh. Chains are pretty cheap, and it is certainly cheaper to replace a chain on the early side rather than waiting and needing to replace chainwheels and cassettes earlier than necessary.
I get an average of 1400 miles out of a chain (std. dev. is 500 miles) this measured over ten chains used to date on a commuter ridden year round in all weather. Drive train is 3 x 7. I typically replace them when they exceed .75 using a Park tool. I typically notice the difference, too.
I get an average of 1400 miles out of a chain (std. dev. is 500 miles) this measured over ten chains used to date on a commuter ridden year round in all weather. Drive train is 3 x 7. I typically replace them when they exceed .75 using a Park tool. I typically notice the difference, too.
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Well, it's good to hear that at least two others have had experiences close to mine. I agree about chains being a relatively cheap part that I plan on replacing regularly. I was just surprised at how few miles I got out of it. This is my first 3x10, and I knew the chain was thinner than what I'm used to. I just didn't realize how much more quickly it could wear.
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Milage varies a lot depending on conditions - rider weight, terraine (hills or flats), cadence, riding style including hard sprints, climbing standing or seated, type and frequency of lube, etc.
I've heard people getting only 1,000 miles or so but I've also heard of 6-7000 miles too. But 1350 seems on the very low.
Please post again tomorrow how the ruler measurement comes out. I'm curious.
I've heard people getting only 1,000 miles or so but I've also heard of 6-7000 miles too. But 1350 seems on the very low.
Please post again tomorrow how the ruler measurement comes out. I'm curious.
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3800 miles on my Gazelles chain, with no maintenance its still clean with no visible or measurable wear.
Hurray for chaincases.
Hurray for chaincases.
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Yes, indeed. The chain on my usual commuter, an Achielle Oma (very much like a Gazelle, chain case and all), is absolutely beautiful with 1500 miles on it. It's a very robust chain and looks like it could move a tank.
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My Felt's original chain (possibly a 105 5700 chain, not sure) went only about 2K miles at which point it was very worn.
I put a KMC X10L-Ti chain on it and it has over 6,000 miles now with no discernible stretch. I've been very amazed at how well it's held up. I use the bike for commuting, but have barely had it in the rain at all this year just due to the fact that we haven't had much rain, or the days/times I commute ended up having little to no rainfall. I wasn't trying to avoid it or anything.
This was my original chain after only 2K miles. At least 3/32" stretch, more than 0.75% nearly 1%.
I put a KMC X10L-Ti chain on it and it has over 6,000 miles now with no discernible stretch. I've been very amazed at how well it's held up. I use the bike for commuting, but have barely had it in the rain at all this year just due to the fact that we haven't had much rain, or the days/times I commute ended up having little to no rainfall. I wasn't trying to avoid it or anything.
This was my original chain after only 2K miles. At least 3/32" stretch, more than 0.75% nearly 1%.
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That actually sounds about right. I used to go through 10spd chains on my old cross bike in about 8 months of commuting. As others have said,proper lubing/cleaning can help extend the lifespan,but remember that ultimately chains(and cassettes,and brake pads,and tires) are just consumables.
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I had over 8k on mine. I replaced the shifters, crank and cassette when the chain finally wore out. The cassette was bad as well, but I went from a 8 speed to a 10 speed and customized the gears. I like the bike even more now.
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this makes me want to check my chain. it's not as smooth as it once was even tho i degrease and clean the chain regularly. i was thinking of getting a chain brush. but i suppose i should measure the chain.
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With some of the newer lubes, cleaning and lube is a single pass. I started using Rock n Roll gold for just that reason. You lube up the chain so it's pretty wet with the lube, spin the chain forward for 10 seconds. Then let it sit for a few seconds then spin it backwards for 10 seconds. All the dirt and grit floats up and you spin the chain through a cloth to take off the excess carrier in the lube that is holding all the grease and grit. Do it again until the grit is gone. I'm pretty picky about chain cleaning and lubes and I really like a clean chain. This is the easiest way to get there that I have seen.
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I'll check it again tomorrow, but I'm not optimistic. I tried with two different chain checkers at the co-op, and got the same reading with both. I did see somewhere that 10-speed chains are okay until they fail the .75% test, so I may get a few hundred more miles out of it.
0.200" per roller=new
0.240" per roller=shot.
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What exactly is being measured in your description above? Spacing between rollers? The rollers themselves should be more than 0.2" diameter.
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Meh. Chains are pretty cheap, and it is certainly cheaper to replace a chain on the early side rather than waiting and needing to replace chainwheels and cassettes earlier than necessary.
I get an average of 1400 miles out of a chain (std. dev. is 500 miles) this measured over ten chains used to date on a commuter ridden year round in all weather. Drive train is 3 x 7. I typically replace them when they exceed .75 using a Park tool. I typically notice the difference, too.
I get an average of 1400 miles out of a chain (std. dev. is 500 miles) this measured over ten chains used to date on a commuter ridden year round in all weather. Drive train is 3 x 7. I typically replace them when they exceed .75 using a Park tool. I typically notice the difference, too.
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https://www.dropbox.com/photos/share...aBY3eFO6n5wuzI
All bicycle chains (that I know of) everywhere are 1" pitch (1 full link is 1", and thus internall the distances are the same), thus the roller spacing is identical....kinda funny when you think about how everything else is metric. Campagnolo advises in their official documentation to track chain wear measuring roller pitch across 6 full links, and when their length exceeds 132.7mm to replace, and not to use the 12" equals 12 links and 0.5% rule....however, with a decent digital caliper that is accurate and repeatable to thousands of an inch, that averaging over 6 links isn't necessary just remember 0.200" new and 0.240" replace (or rotate at 0.220", for fans like myself of rotating chains). The iGaging one above was $25 IIRC and certified as accurate to 0.001" IIRC, not only cheaper than most chain-checkers but far more accurate and repeatable as well and tells you what you need to know in a meaningful data way.
Sorry was in a hurry earlier and meant to type "roller pairing" in my last post. Probably what confused y'all.
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