Ultegra is more Dura Ace, less 105, or vice versa?
07-10-20, 02:04 PM
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That's kinda what I thought, although I never understood why people are bothered by his posts (and on the contrary, could understand an issue with the other guy. See below...)
First off, it's difficult to even understand what you are trying to say, what with the complete disregard for even the slightest attempt at grammar and punctuation, or even a cursory glance back for typos.
But yeah, your amazingly deep question about Ultegra and how it relates to 105 and DA really went right over my head. It's, like, in the middle of the two, bro. Exactly what Fiets wrote in his first response...
But yeah, your amazingly deep question about Ultegra and how it relates to 105 and DA really went right over my head. It's, like, in the middle of the two, bro. Exactly what Fiets wrote in his first response...
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07-10-20, 09:41 PM
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I have Dura Ace on one bike and Ultegra on another. Both are really terrific. In performance, not much difference. The DA stuff is probably lighter by a bit and the finish is almost as good as it gets.
I'll probably go with Ultegra for future bike retrofits, unless the bike in question is worthy of DA.
I'll probably go with Ultegra for future bike retrofits, unless the bike in question is worthy of DA.
07-11-20, 10:13 AM
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Problem I see with the discussion is that over the decades various versions of each group shifted better or worse than another version of the same product tier. IE, 105 5800 shifted much better than 105 5700. Or at least that's what several articles I read reported back when 5800 and 6800 were introduced. Many considered it as or almost as good as Ultegra 6800 in shifting. Weight wise, Ultegra won hands down.
I'm sure some DuraAce users over the decades can point to some shifting better than other DuraAce groups. So if you are considering between DuraAce or Ultegra for a bike upgrade then you need to know the specific models of each that is being discussed.
I'm sure some DuraAce users over the decades can point to some shifting better than other DuraAce groups. So if you are considering between DuraAce or Ultegra for a bike upgrade then you need to know the specific models of each that is being discussed.
07-11-20, 11:15 AM
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Problem I see with the discussion is that over the decades various versions of each group shifted better or worse than another version of the same product tier. IE, 105 5800 shifted much better than 105 5700. Or at least that's what several articles I read reported back when 5800 and 6800 were introduced. Many considered it as or almost as good as Ultegra 6800 in shifting. Weight wise, Ultegra won hands down.
I'm sure some DuraAce users over the decades can point to some shifting better than other DuraAce groups. So if you are considering between DuraAce or Ultegra for a bike upgrade then you need to know the specific models of each that is being discussed.
I'm sure some DuraAce users over the decades can point to some shifting better than other DuraAce groups. So if you are considering between DuraAce or Ultegra for a bike upgrade then you need to know the specific models of each that is being discussed.
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07-12-20, 04:30 AM
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That's kinda what I thought, although I never understood why people are bothered by his posts (and on the contrary, could understand an issue with the other guy. See below...)
First off, it's difficult to even understand what you are trying to say, what with the complete disregard for even the slightest attempt at grammar and punctuation, or even a cursory glance back for typos.
But yeah, your amazingly deep question about Ultegra and how it relates to 105 and DA really went right over my head. It's, like, in the middle of the two, bro. Exactly what Fiets wrote in his first response...
First off, it's difficult to even understand what you are trying to say, what with the complete disregard for even the slightest attempt at grammar and punctuation, or even a cursory glance back for typos.
But yeah, your amazingly deep question about Ultegra and how it relates to 105 and DA really went right over my head. It's, like, in the middle of the two, bro. Exactly what Fiets wrote in his first response...
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again. no clue..
07-12-20, 06:37 AM
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I don't know what's going on with OP but I regret trying to post a helpful response early on. 
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07-12-20, 07:34 PM
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I have a bike with 9 speed Dura ace and it works well. Rattles on certain roads and feels a little flimsy but honestly, 21 years on, it still works exactly as it did when it was new. With that said, the new Ultegra and 105 groupsets are fantastic. Honestly, I could not feel the difference between the those two groupsets. I rode the disc brake versions of both and they are solid pieces of kit that should be reliable and last for years. I have not ridden the new dura ace but there are lots of reviews saying that the difference between Ultegra and dura ace is minor. I think Shimano has gotten to a point were the only difference in the 105/Ultegra/dura ace is just weight. And I think the Ultegra is right in the middle between dura ace and 105.
So to answer your question, I would say that Ultegra is neither more dura ace or less 105. Nor is it more 105 and less dura ace.
So to answer your question, I would say that Ultegra is neither more dura ace or less 105. Nor is it more 105 and less dura ace.
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07-12-20, 07:43 PM
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Simple rule of thumb: Just buy the best groupset you can afford.
07-13-20, 10:47 AM
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07-13-20, 12:34 PM
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Must be 5 o'clock somewhere....
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07-13-20, 07:41 PM
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Historically 105 have been considered by most the sweetspot/best value for cost/performance I personally would not go lower than that on the shimano chain. I have 105 5800 (gen before 7000) and it has been great. of course about 2 weeks after I installed that i could have gotten ultegra 8000 for a similar prices
that said Ultegra is my favorite, has always worked great and is to me a noticeable step up from 105
that said Ultegra is my favorite, has always worked great and is to me a noticeable step up from 105
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1-Dura Ace 2- Ultegra 3-105.....................................57- Sram axs, 58- Etap 59- Force
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