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02-03-14, 08:49 PM
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I know I'll hate myself for diving in here, but I think most folks would agree that the issue is not whether overtly political threads should be moved ... it's where the lie between "political" and "non-political" should be drawn.
For me, the line is when it becomes partisan, left-right, conservative-liberal, or capitalist-socialist. A thread about increasing penalties for hit and runs or DUIs, while certainly political and relevant to bikeforums, would not cross that line. One that blamed those demicrats or publicans for the problem certainly would be.
I posted about Death Valley canceling 2014's cycling events. That's relevant and political, but not partisanly so. Nor is it left-right, conservative-liberal, partisan or anything else, although people's comments may lead it in that direction and a move to P+R.
Anyway, I see no problem in moving threads based on relevance and political content. Given the crap the mods get for doing so, and how highly they are paid, I'm sure they don't do so to offend anyone, but rather to avoid it.
I do think that mods don't need to respond to every complaint, otherwise the threads are dull and responsive only to the lowest common denominator (or highest, I suppose, depending on how you look at it). By moving a thread, they may offend ten members in the hope of not offending the one that complained.
Come to think of it, I recall one of my posts about not wanting to see overweight middle aged men on nude beaches or something to that effect ... and seeing it deleted. Cripes ... I thought that was something we all could agree on. lol
For me, the line is when it becomes partisan, left-right, conservative-liberal, or capitalist-socialist. A thread about increasing penalties for hit and runs or DUIs, while certainly political and relevant to bikeforums, would not cross that line. One that blamed those demicrats or publicans for the problem certainly would be.
I posted about Death Valley canceling 2014's cycling events. That's relevant and political, but not partisanly so. Nor is it left-right, conservative-liberal, partisan or anything else, although people's comments may lead it in that direction and a move to P+R.
Anyway, I see no problem in moving threads based on relevance and political content. Given the crap the mods get for doing so, and how highly they are paid, I'm sure they don't do so to offend anyone, but rather to avoid it.
I do think that mods don't need to respond to every complaint, otherwise the threads are dull and responsive only to the lowest common denominator (or highest, I suppose, depending on how you look at it). By moving a thread, they may offend ten members in the hope of not offending the one that complained.
Come to think of it, I recall one of my posts about not wanting to see overweight middle aged men on nude beaches or something to that effect ... and seeing it deleted. Cripes ... I thought that was something we all could agree on. lol
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02-03-14, 10:09 PM
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If you are directing this at me, and I have no idea if you are or not, I didn't have a problem with the thread being moved. I thought it was the same 4 posters beatifying ol' Pete over and over. It was clearly political and should have been moved after the first several posts.
Honest to goodness, and I hope I hear an Amen or two to this:
Honest to goodness, and I hope I hear an Amen or two to this:
IMO posting about musical or other cultural favorites of the past (or present) without any cycling content does not belong here no matter how iconic of past memories. Save them for Facebook, your favorite pub, or Pub 51.
02-04-14, 12:58 AM
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I'll give an amen to moving the thread about Pete Seeger, but it should have been from the first post regardless of lack of political content, since it had nothing at all to do with cycling. Pub 51 or wherever the mods thought appropriate but moved nonetheless.
IMO posting about musical or other cultural favorites of the past (or present) without any cycling content does not belong here no matter how iconic of past memories. Save them for Facebook, your favorite pub, or Pub 51.
IMO posting about musical or other cultural favorites of the past (or present) without any cycling content does not belong here no matter how iconic of past memories. Save them for Facebook, your favorite pub, or Pub 51.
maybe this will be tossing gas on the fire but wouldn't they have to move about 50 percent of the living car free sub forum for lack of cycling content. They have been fighting over where they build football stadiums, not getting to walk to the Superbowl, not using an air conditioner in the heat of the summer. They talk about mass transit, the war between urbanites and the evils of suburbs for months. 
02-04-14, 02:24 AM
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I kind of avoided it for awhile but after a period of time I got to seeing the same topics here so I started posting in Foo and P&R some.
I delve into foreign policy topics some but they really don't get much play over there for the most part. You'll see more tabloid getting play over there than foreign policy topics except for just a few posters. Domestic policy gets quite a bit of play though.
It's kind of a zoo there sometimes (not as much as my un-moderated boxing forum gets at times) but the guys that argue pretty much argue with each other for the most part.
02-04-14, 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bikey Mikey 
I thought the reason you couldn't reply in P&R was that you had to be an elite, paid, member, but I am and I can't reply. So, there is some other reason. Not a big deal--at least to me.
02-04-14, 05:12 AM
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I know I've seen a thread moved to Pro Racing when I first started posting that really wasn't about pro racing. It was simply a thread about cycling attire that wasn't marketed for wannabe pro racers. I've seen a couple of threads I thought were moved a little inappropriately but maybe I don't see what was edited out beforehand by the mods.
I've been seriously thinking about this. Since this 50+ area is more of a ALL topic forum - that perhaps the "cycling" should be removed from the name of it and this whole section be moved to the lounge.
02-04-14, 07:07 AM
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02-04-14, 07:27 AM
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So, here we are pages of responses to a thread with (OMG) no cycling content and no one is dead. No injuries. No suicides (Oh, sorry that's Facebook). Maybe we 50+ people can have a respectful conversation without censorship. Oh the humanity!
02-04-14, 07:29 AM
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maybe this will be tossing gas on the fire but wouldn't they have to move about 50 percent of the living car free sub forum for lack of cycling content. They have been fighting over where they build football stadiums, not getting to walk to the Superbowl, not using an air conditioner in the heat of the summer. They talk about mass transit, the war between urbanites and the evils of suburbs for months. 
02-04-14, 08:33 AM
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^^^That's pretty neat. I suggest you re-post in the 40+ thread of the SSFG forum.
02-04-14, 08:36 AM
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02-04-14, 08:40 AM
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I think it is wrong to have moved it, explained it as was done, and edited the quoted song. I did not object to the political content. Can't believe I am the only one.
02-04-14, 08:49 AM
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02-04-14, 08:50 AM
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02-04-14, 09:06 AM
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maybe this will be tossing gas on the fire but wouldn't they have to move about 50 percent of the living car free sub forum for lack of cycling content. They have been fighting over where they build football stadiums, not getting to walk to the Superbowl, not using an air conditioner in the heat of the summer. They talk about mass transit, the war between urbanites and the evils of suburbs for months. This is the perfect example right here!! Nobody complained about it, so we didn't take action on it!
If the participants of that forum don't mind, we dont' either! As long as things are civil, then everyone is happy. Unless of course, we get complaints. And it's not one complaint that does it, it's several. Could be many people complaining, or one person constantly complaining...
02-04-14, 09:38 AM
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Since the beginning of 2013 several of the older members of 50+ have been dissatisfied with the forum. I myself was one of them and I stopped participating in the Forum. This was due to the abuse that was going on from some members and it was not being resolved. I did keep an eye on things and eventually felt that it had settled down and returned but in a limited way to get the feel of how things are going. However several of the valued older members did not come back as they felt the 50+ group had changed too much and certain people that had been causing the problems were still about.
I do realise that BF is a cycling forum but the 50+ group had something to offer the older rider that was a bit different to the other forums. The interests of the members is different and as such it was reflected in the content and postings that were made. It now appears to me that the ethos of the 50+ has gone and it is not a forum I wish to participate in.
So thanks for the many years of enjoyment I have had with you but I think it is time for me to part Company with BF.
Doug
I do realise that BF is a cycling forum but the 50+ group had something to offer the older rider that was a bit different to the other forums. The interests of the members is different and as such it was reflected in the content and postings that were made. It now appears to me that the ethos of the 50+ has gone and it is not a forum I wish to participate in.
So thanks for the many years of enjoyment I have had with you but I think it is time for me to part Company with BF.
Doug
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02-04-14, 10:24 AM
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While I understand I wish you would reconsider.
02-04-14, 10:58 AM
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Since the beginning of 2013 several of the older members of 50+ have been dissatisfied with the forum. I myself was one of them and I stopped participating in the Forum. This was due to the abuse that was going on from some members and it was not being resolved. I did keep an eye on things and eventually felt that it had settled down and returned but in a limited way to get the feel of how things are going. However several of the valued older members did not come back as they felt the 50+ group had changed too much and certain people that had been causing the problems were still about.
I do realise that BF is a cycling forum but the 50+ group had something to offer the older rider that was a bit different to the other forums. The interests of the members is different and as such it was reflected in the content and postings that were made. It now appears to me that the ethos of the 50+ has gone and it is not a forum I wish to participate in.
So thanks for the many years of enjoyment I have had with you but I think it is time for me to part Company with BF.
Doug
I do realise that BF is a cycling forum but the 50+ group had something to offer the older rider that was a bit different to the other forums. The interests of the members is different and as such it was reflected in the content and postings that were made. It now appears to me that the ethos of the 50+ has gone and it is not a forum I wish to participate in.
So thanks for the many years of enjoyment I have had with you but I think it is time for me to part Company with BF.
Doug
02-04-14, 01:00 PM
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This is the perfect example right here!! Nobody complained about it, so we didn't take action on it!
If the participants of that forum don't mind, we dont' either! As long as things are civil, then everyone is happy. Unless of course, we get complaints. And it's not one complaint that does it, it's several. Could be many people complaining, or one person constantly complaining...
If the participants of that forum don't mind, we dont' either! As long as things are civil, then everyone is happy. Unless of course, we get complaints. And it's not one complaint that does it, it's several. Could be many people complaining, or one person constantly complaining...
02-04-14, 06:10 PM
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maybe this will be tossing gas on the fire but wouldn't they have to move about 50 percent of the living car free sub forum for lack of cycling content. They have been fighting over where they build football stadiums, not getting to walk to the Superbowl, not using an air conditioner in the heat of the summer. They talk about mass transit, the war between urbanites and the evils of suburbs for months. This list is much improved over days of old when OT Kaffee Klatch gossip and insider jokes and mindless patter dominated so many posts and threads from a handful of good old boys, though some of the old timers and drama queens just can't get over the change in direction.
The big fuss over the Pete S. thread and the whining and whimpering about the mean old Mods not leaving "us" alone to do our thing because "we" are special sounds like a blast from the past on this list.
02-04-14, 06:28 PM
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I always felt that the 50+ was more oriented towards any topic that interested those of us over that age and that sometimes cycling wasn't the heart of the discussion, except that we all knew that we are all cyclists (and thus superior to to other mere humans) and thus cut some slack because we ARE cyclists and thus all have at base, something in common. The subject could then go slightly political and occasionally heated, but not once can I recall that posts might be or were deleted or moved as a result.
I would not like to see a political forum with a subset of over 50.
I was surprised that the Pete Seeger post got moved. Possibly my post quoting his reply during the McCarthey hearings would be considered political and thus inappropriate to a cycling forum about 50 + cyclists, forgetting the fact that the entire reason Pete even got mentioned here was because he was 94. THAT's appropriate to the 50+ I would think, even if he didn't ride a bike.
So do we have to moderate ourselves and consider it off-topic if nothing about the post relates to cycling for the 50+ crowd, or can we just do what a lot of other forums do and use an "OT" as part of the header as warning to others that it's not cycling related, but IS 50+ related and as such should and can stay here.
Would that work ?.
I would not like to see a political forum with a subset of over 50.
I was surprised that the Pete Seeger post got moved. Possibly my post quoting his reply during the McCarthey hearings would be considered political and thus inappropriate to a cycling forum about 50 + cyclists, forgetting the fact that the entire reason Pete even got mentioned here was because he was 94. THAT's appropriate to the 50+ I would think, even if he didn't ride a bike.
So do we have to moderate ourselves and consider it off-topic if nothing about the post relates to cycling for the 50+ crowd, or can we just do what a lot of other forums do and use an "OT" as part of the header as warning to others that it's not cycling related, but IS 50+ related and as such should and can stay here.
Would that work ?.
02-04-14, 07:21 PM
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I like that we get a good bit of leeway here about what we post, but I don't see a reason to come here to discuss topics not at least somewhat related to cycling.
