Seeking Moots Identity
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Seeking Moots Identity
Recently purchases a used Moots off ebay. Owner listed it as "Vamooots Lt" but Moots tell me it's a "Mootour" from 2007. My internet findings tell me this might actually be a "Pyschlo" or a "Routt". What's also interesting is any bike with these types of stays that I can find uses Cantilever brakes whereas this one has a wishbone stay with a brazed-on mount for a Side Pull Caliper.
Wondering if maybe the original owner is on here and/or maybe someone just has some additional information about this specific frame. Anything is greatly appreciated.
Side note: The oldest catalog I can find is from 2009. I have provided both photos from the catalog for comparison.
Thank you to all!
Wondering if maybe the original owner is on here and/or maybe someone just has some additional information about this specific frame. Anything is greatly appreciated.
Side note: The oldest catalog I can find is from 2009. I have provided both photos from the catalog for comparison.
Thank you to all!
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What does it matter for anything?? It's not a museum piece. Either you like the way it rides or you don't.
Get parts that fit and ride.
Get parts that fit and ride.
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Wow. Everyone is being so kind! Thanks!
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I’m confused. You went to the source and they told you exactly what the bike is. What more information do you need? The slight differences in the frame from the catalog won’t make any difference functionally. Build it, ride it and tell people what Moots told you about what the bike is. Moots bikes aren’t cookie cutter production bikes so there are differences for reasons that may not be clear to you as the second owner.
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I suppose you are right but who knows - maybe the person with the papers uses this forum. In a perfect world, Moots sends me the entire schematics file but alas they did not. So, why not try?
The general curiosity to know more about what I just bought simply seems intrinsic to me.
The general curiosity to know more about what I just bought simply seems intrinsic to me.
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I, too, bought a frame that I was unable to ID exactly, although I do know the manufacturer and approximate age. I can't say that this lack of knowledge prevented me from customizing the build up or enjoying riding it; however my curiosity about the specifics still remains. I understand the OP's quest perfectly.
Good luck.
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Thanks to all for supporting the quest!
I am very confident I will have have little to no issue building this bicycle but for those who know about the unexpected and fickle complications one can face in bicycle-maintenance; how can it ever hurt to know more?
I am simply just playing detective on a case that strikes my curiosity. Moots themselves tell me one thing, my eyeballs and the internet tell me another. If there is history and/or reasoning for this specific frame design, it would please me to know and also might serve as beneficial during the build process.
For example, the brazed on brake mount may be the one thing that oddly interferes with what would otherwise be lots of tire clearance (something I'll be able to examine in person once I receive the frame) - but it begs the question, why have it on this frame?
The other reason is to be inclusive in a community where I just assumed people got "enthused" about these sorts of things. I know I would be interested in a frame's journey. Hell, maybe GCN will even give me a SUPER-LIKE when it is all said and done.
I am very confident I will have have little to no issue building this bicycle but for those who know about the unexpected and fickle complications one can face in bicycle-maintenance; how can it ever hurt to know more?
I am simply just playing detective on a case that strikes my curiosity. Moots themselves tell me one thing, my eyeballs and the internet tell me another. If there is history and/or reasoning for this specific frame design, it would please me to know and also might serve as beneficial during the build process.
For example, the brazed on brake mount may be the one thing that oddly interferes with what would otherwise be lots of tire clearance (something I'll be able to examine in person once I receive the frame) - but it begs the question, why have it on this frame?
The other reason is to be inclusive in a community where I just assumed people got "enthused" about these sorts of things. I know I would be interested in a frame's journey. Hell, maybe GCN will even give me a SUPER-LIKE when it is all said and done.
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Thanks to all for supporting the quest!
I am very confident I will have have little to no issue building this bicycle but for those who know about the unexpected and fickle complications one can face in bicycle-maintenance; how can it ever hurt to know more?
I am simply just playing detective on a case that strikes my curiosity. Moots themselves tell me one thing, my eyeballs and the internet tell me another. If there is history and/or reasoning for this specific frame design, it would please me to know and also might serve as beneficial durning the build process. For example, the brazed on brake mount may be the one thing that oddly interferes with what would otherwise be lots of tire clearance (something I'll be able to examine in person once I receive the frame) - but it begs the question, why have it on this frame?
The other reason is to be inclusive in a community where I just assumed people got "enthused" about these sorts of things. I know I would be interested in a frame's journey. Hell, maybe GCN will even give me a SUPER-LIKE when it is all said and done.
I am very confident I will have have little to no issue building this bicycle but for those who know about the unexpected and fickle complications one can face in bicycle-maintenance; how can it ever hurt to know more?
I am simply just playing detective on a case that strikes my curiosity. Moots themselves tell me one thing, my eyeballs and the internet tell me another. If there is history and/or reasoning for this specific frame design, it would please me to know and also might serve as beneficial durning the build process. For example, the brazed on brake mount may be the one thing that oddly interferes with what would otherwise be lots of tire clearance (something I'll be able to examine in person once I receive the frame) - but it begs the question, why have it on this frame?
The other reason is to be inclusive in a community where I just assumed people got "enthused" about these sorts of things. I know I would be interested in a frame's journey. Hell, maybe GCN will even give me a SUPER-LIKE when it is all said and done.
The reason for that brake mount is because that looks like they only way they could have put a side pull brake on that kind of stay. You can’t just drill a hole through a wishbone stay. Well, you could but it would have to be at an angle ad it would be very difficult to align the brake properly. The tab like you have is a work around. It’s not good or bad, it’s just different.
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I did indeed write Moots a second time with my findings and will see what they have to say. Not sure how else to reiterate that I am simply just curious. Not sure why you care so much to not care.
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Yes, 2009 is as far back as I can find in regards to their catalog. I have also scoured the entire internet to try and find something that comes close. I have found one bike that appears to be the Pyschlo/Routt build with a YBB and a brazed on Caliper Mount whereas every single other version I find is Cantilever.
For all I know the original owner is on here and might want to chat. For those who seem to be bothered by my inquiry - I dunno', just stop paying attention?
I did indeed write Moots a second time with my findings and will see what they have to say. Not sure how else to reiterate that I am simply just curious. Not sure why you care so much to not care.
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Yes, 2009 is as far back as I can find in regards to their catalog. I have also scoured the entire internet to try and find something that comes close. I have found one bike that appears to be the Pyschlo/Routt build with a YBB and a brazed on Caliper Mount whereas every single other version I find is Cantilever.
For all I know the original owner is on here and might want to chat. For those who seem to be bothered by my inquiry - I dunno', just stop paying attention?
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From a review of a 2006 Mootour on another forum.. a couple pics. Does this look like your rear setup on your bike?
jamesklayer From his review, it looks like he opted for a "YBB" option in the rear
https://forums.roadbikereview.com/bi...les-64538.html
jamesklayer From his review, it looks like he opted for a "YBB" option in the rear
https://forums.roadbikereview.com/bi...les-64538.html
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From a review of a 2006 Mootour on another forum.. a couple pics. Does this look like your rear setup on your bike?
jamesklayer From his review, it looks like he opted for a "YBB" option in the rear
https://forums.roadbikereview.com/bi...les-64538.html
jamesklayer From his review, it looks like he opted for a "YBB" option in the rear
https://forums.roadbikereview.com/bi...les-64538.html
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I did indeed write Moots a second time with my findings and will see what they have to say. The difference I see is not just the "mono-stay" but the shape and design of the seat and chain stays. They do not resemble any Mootour I can find but more so the Pyschlo (stated in my original post). Not sure how else to reiterate that I am simply just curious. Not sure why you care so much to not care.
Your comments sound more like you are concerned than you are curious. There is nothing wrong with the bike and Moots has told you what it is.
Yes, 2009 is as far back as I can find in regards to their catalog. I have also scoured the entire internet to try and find something that comes close. I have found one bike that appears to be the Pyschlo/Routt build with a YBB and a brazed on Caliper Mount whereas every single other version I find is Cantilever.
For all I know the original owner is on here and might want to chat. For those who seem to be bothered by my inquiry - I dunno', just stop paying attention?
For all I know the original owner is on here and might want to chat. For those who seem to be bothered by my inquiry - I dunno', just stop paying attention?
Moots: mootour by Hugger Industries, on Flickr
Same bike. Same configuration.
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The “mono-stay” is the seat stay. The whole unit from the seat to the rear dropout is the mono-stay. The chainstays don’t look any different from what the catalog says.
Your comments sound more like you are concerned than you are curious. There is nothing wrong with the bike and Moots has told you what it is.
This one isn’t a YBB
Moots: mootour by Hugger Industries, on Flickr
Same bike. Same configuration.
Your comments sound more like you are concerned than you are curious. There is nothing wrong with the bike and Moots has told you what it is.
This one isn’t a YBB
Moots: mootour by Hugger Industries, on Flickr
Same bike. Same configuration.
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Moots will make custom frames. Mine had to be because of my back injury and the position that I have to ride in. My nephew (who owns the shop I got it at) also surprised me by having them add the chainholder, which many do not have and can throw someone off kilter about how it got there. That being said, after the 12 weeks it took to make the frame, it came to me with a blueprint of all the dimensions, with the serial number on it. Perhaps that one is custom. Maybe you can ask Moots to check their records to see if that one is indeed a custom and look it up by serial. Maybe they still have a copy of it somewhere and can send you a print out of the measurements.
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Moots will make custom frames. Mine had to be because of my back injury and the position that I have to ride in. My nephew (who owns the shop I got it at) also surprised me by having them add the chainholder, which many do not have and can throw someone off kilter about how it got there. That being said, after the 12 weeks it took to make the frame, it came to me with a blueprint of all the dimensions, with the serial number on it. Perhaps that one is custom. Maybe you can ask Moots to check their records to see if that one is indeed a custom and look it up by serial. Maybe they still have a copy of it somewhere and can send you a print out of the measurements.
In a perfect world they would send me scans and/or files of everything. I suppose I should reiterate to those who think my curiosity isn't worth anything beyond this point - I like bikes and I just want to know as much as I can know.
I guess at the end of the day my curiosity falls into the area of having a frame that can take larger tires but with a custom piece that takes away that advantage. Yes, maybe for the comfort of the rider?
Thank you for the information and your interest!
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