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Do you mean that one may not carry bear spray, for self defense against bears?
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I only carry bear spray, for defense against civilian dogs and bears. Haven't seen the need for military grade. Btw, how does Canada feel about military grade aluminum on Ford 150s? Oh, never mind. I drive a steel body Tundra.
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Just for fun, what do you do if your assailants are wearing googles or come at you from two different directions? Never mind as I don'r really care. It must be awful riding where such fear for one's personal safety is so great
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It'll get confiscated at the border in Customs.
Just for fun, what do you do if your assailants are wearing googles or come at you from two different directions? Never mind as I don'r really care. It must be awful riding where such fear for one's personal safety is so great
Cheers
Just for fun, what do you do if your assailants are wearing googles or come at you from two different directions? Never mind as I don'r really care. It must be awful riding where such fear for one's personal safety is so great
Cheers
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So first things first in self defense if you are carrying some form of weapon you need to train on using it safely and correctly and be able to handle yourself in a high stress situation. Unfortunately a lot of folks have weapons and they think well I will know what to do when I need to and you don't. Pepper spray is not a joke and is not just a toy you can pull out when you want. You actually need to know how to use it, when and where to use it and how to handle yourself before you use it. You could hurt yourself and unintended targets. If you are dead set on buying it then find a safe space to train with it and learn how to use it and potentially use it on yourself (or have a trusted friend use it on you) so you know what you are doing to someone. These so called "Less Lethal" weapons can actually be quite lethal and even worse in untrained hands.
I know for pepper spray Sabre does training and they also make inert products for police (but you might be able to get some for personal training?) https://www.sabrered.com/personal-safety-training. Also you might find others doing self defense training and that can be rather invaluable.
If I am on a bike I would just plan to exfil the area quickly rather than hanging around trying to pull out pepper spray or a gun or whatever you might have. If you feel you are going to be in an unsafe area know ways out know ways around and know potential safe zones and always be spatially aware in any situation.
I know for pepper spray Sabre does training and they also make inert products for police (but you might be able to get some for personal training?) https://www.sabrered.com/personal-safety-training. Also you might find others doing self defense training and that can be rather invaluable.
If I am on a bike I would just plan to exfil the area quickly rather than hanging around trying to pull out pepper spray or a gun or whatever you might have. If you feel you are going to be in an unsafe area know ways out know ways around and know potential safe zones and always be spatially aware in any situation.
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Self defense decisions and choices should always feel intrusive and carry the weight of conscience. Actions taken in the heat of the moment can have permanent consequences, all around.
I survived enough fights and worse when I was younger. Nowadays I prefer avoidance and just walking away whenever possible.
Falling is a big risk. Some dogs that are normally good tempered can suddenly turn violent when they sense fear, pain or smell blood.
I do carry pepper spray for dogs but haven't needed it. I regard every dog as free range and likely to run directly into my path, so as long as I can see the dog I'm always prepared. Most dogs are just goofballs and lose interest quickly. Usually I'll stop when they chase me. So far that's always ended their interest in me.
In my area deer and pickup trucks are bigger hazards than dogs.
I survived enough fights and worse when I was younger. Nowadays I prefer avoidance and just walking away whenever possible.
Falling is a big risk. Some dogs that are normally good tempered can suddenly turn violent when they sense fear, pain or smell blood.
I do carry pepper spray for dogs but haven't needed it. I regard every dog as free range and likely to run directly into my path, so as long as I can see the dog I'm always prepared. Most dogs are just goofballs and lose interest quickly. Usually I'll stop when they chase me. So far that's always ended their interest in me.
In my area deer and pickup trucks are bigger hazards than dogs.
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This is where the ruling become somewhat sketchy. You could still be charged with concealing a prohibited weapon by simply carrying it on your person or in a purse particularly in an area where there are no bears. Mace which has a higher level of capsicum is definitely considered off limits.
That being said, I suspect that its use could depend on the circumstances one faces such as vicious dogs.
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So first things first in self defense if you are carrying some form of weapon you need to train on using it safely and correctly and be able to handle yourself in a high stress situation. Unfortunately a lot of folks have weapons and they think well I will know what to do when I need to and you don't. Pepper spray is not a joke and is not just a toy you can pull out when you want. You actually need to know how to use it, when and where to use it and how to handle yourself before you use it. You could hurt yourself and unintended targets. If you are dead set on buying it then find a safe space to train with it and learn how to use it and potentially use it on yourself (or have a trusted friend use it on you) so you know what you are doing to someone. These so called "Less Lethal" weapons can actually be quite lethal and even worse in untrained hands.
I know for pepper spray Sabre does training and they also make inert products for police (but you might be able to get some for personal training?) https://www.sabrered.com/personal-safety-training. Also you might find others doing self defense training and that can be rather invaluable.
If I am on a bike I would just plan to exfil the area quickly rather than hanging around trying to pull out pepper spray or a gun or whatever you might have. If you feel you are going to be in an unsafe area know ways out know ways around and know potential safe zones and always be spatially aware in any situation.
I know for pepper spray Sabre does training and they also make inert products for police (but you might be able to get some for personal training?) https://www.sabrered.com/personal-safety-training. Also you might find others doing self defense training and that can be rather invaluable.
If I am on a bike I would just plan to exfil the area quickly rather than hanging around trying to pull out pepper spray or a gun or whatever you might have. If you feel you are going to be in an unsafe area know ways out know ways around and know potential safe zones and always be spatially aware in any situation.
Fox Labs also offers self defense classes that if like everything else they do should be very professional. They supply the military, LEOs, the Secret Service, the prison system, on and on.
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The law surrounding the use of pepper spray is a bit murky in Canada. First of all, if the product is purchased for personal protection and is not specifically labelled as bear spray or for animal use then would be considered a prohibited weapon. Both Canadian Tire and MEC sells bear spray but MEC makes you sign a waiver and one must be over the age of 18 to purchase. I believe the only authorities who have the legal right to carry pepper spray are law enforcement and mail carriers.
This is where the ruling become somewhat sketchy. You could still be charged with concealing a prohibited weapon by simply carrying it on your person or in a purse particularly in an area where there are no bears. Mace which has a higher level of capsicum is definitely considered off limits.
That being said, I suspect that its use could depend on the circumstances one faces such as vicious dogs.
This is where the ruling become somewhat sketchy. You could still be charged with concealing a prohibited weapon by simply carrying it on your person or in a purse particularly in an area where there are no bears. Mace which has a higher level of capsicum is definitely considered off limits.
That being said, I suspect that its use could depend on the circumstances one faces such as vicious dogs.
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Generally speaking, yes. There are a lot more restrictions here.
Planning on crossing the border into Canada? Leave behind anything that could be classified as prohibited such as expandable batons, stun guns, switchblades, etc… Oh yea, that knuckle duster that’s been lying around in your glove compartment for years…that too.
Acquiring that can of Ultimate Spray through the mail could also result in charges of importing a prohibited weapon if it was discovered by the CBSA.
Planning on crossing the border into Canada? Leave behind anything that could be classified as prohibited such as expandable batons, stun guns, switchblades, etc… Oh yea, that knuckle duster that’s been lying around in your glove compartment for years…that too.
Acquiring that can of Ultimate Spray through the mail could also result in charges of importing a prohibited weapon if it was discovered by the CBSA.
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In the aftermath of a violent confrontation where someone gets killed or seriously injured, the truth may prove to be an ephemeral concept. Establishing who was or was not exercising reasonable self defense measures and who was or was not using excessive force, even who was or was not the original aggressor, it's not likely to be slam dunk easy.
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The only time that I would carry pepper spray is if I was riding through bear territory or some rural area with a lot of aggressive stray dogs.... I would never carry pepper spray in urban areas because the legal consequences aren't worth it. If you used pepper spray for self defense against another person you would still get charged for carrying illegal weapon and using excessive force....In a worst case scenario I could use my bike lock as a self defense weapon.
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If you don't want to be a victim then you need to practise situational awareness and avoid situations which have a potential to turn violent. Even if you were successful in using a pepper spray to defend yourself against another person you would still end up being a victim of your legal system. The legal system will do everything they can to get you charged with using excessive force and carrying a restricted weapon. In this day and age avoidance is the best weapon.
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It's slightly chunky. Despite using a high-speed Ninja food processor, I've never been able to get my hot sauce to the smooth consistency as what you buy commercially.
That reminds me, it's about time to start planting pepper seeds again. I think I'm just going to do habaneros this year. I make a pretty tasty mango/pineapple/habanero sauce which will knock your socks off. It's really good on tacos.
That reminds me, it's about time to start planting pepper seeds again. I think I'm just going to do habaneros this year. I make a pretty tasty mango/pineapple/habanero sauce which will knock your socks off. It's really good on tacos.
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In any event...This thread has not failed to disappoint.
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If you don't want to be a victim then you need to practise situational awareness and avoid situations which have a potential to turn violent. Even if you were successful in using a pepper spray to defend yourself against another person you would still end up being a victim of your legal system. The legal system will do everything they can to get you charged with using excessive force and carrying a restricted weapon. In this day and age avoidance is the best weapon.
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It's slightly chunky. Despite using a high-speed Ninja food processor, I've never been able to get my hot sauce to the smooth consistency as what you buy commercially.
That reminds me, it's about time to start planting pepper seeds again. I think I'm just going to do habaneros this year. I make a pretty tasty mango/pineapple/habanero sauce which will knock your socks off. It's really good on tacos.
That reminds me, it's about time to start planting pepper seeds again. I think I'm just going to do habaneros this year. I make a pretty tasty mango/pineapple/habanero sauce which will knock your socks off. It's really good on tacos.
A strong Tabasco sauce solution in a water pistol?
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Probably the most important thing you can do before carrying a self defense weapon is spend some time with a good criminal defense attorney. In the event you do use force, just because you and your attorney believe your use of force was justified doesn't mean the police and state prosecutors will agree.
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It's slightly chunky. Despite using a high-speed Ninja food processor, I've never been able to get my hot sauce to the smooth consistency as what you buy commercially.
That reminds me, it's about time to start planting pepper seeds again. I think I'm just going to do habaneros this year. I make a pretty tasty mango/pineapple/habanero sauce which will knock your socks off. It's really good on tacos.
That reminds me, it's about time to start planting pepper seeds again. I think I'm just going to do habaneros this year. I make a pretty tasty mango/pineapple/habanero sauce which will knock your socks off. It's really good on tacos.
mango/ pineapple/habanero...now we are getting somewhere.
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After reading all of your comments I have decided to heed your advice and practice with this pepper spray device. I was going to ask IndyFabs if he would like to volunteer. Please say yes.
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In the aftermath of a violent confrontation where someone gets killed or seriously injured, the truth may prove to be an ephemeral concept. Establishing who was or was not exercising reasonable self defense measures and who was or was not using excessive force, even who was or was not the original aggressor, it's not likely to be slam dunk easy.
Probably the most important thing you can do before carrying a self defense weapon is spend some time with a good criminal defense attorney. In the event you do use force, just because you and your attorney believe your use of force was justified doesn't mean the police and state prosecutors will agree.
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