Texting & Driving
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Texting & Driving
Someone on another forum I frequent posted this.
Freaking nasty.
Brings up a good question though. Should texting while driving be punished as harshly as DUI?
IMO, if you hit someone and cause injury while texting, it should be a felony just like if you did it while drunk. I'd also like to see cops pull licenses and judges hand out 6 month suspensions to people who text and drive.
Last Monday I went for a ride on my road bike over lunch. I work downtown and chose a route that I have biked many times before. Just a few minutes into my ride, I was stopped at a stoplight on a broad boulevard that doesn't get much traffic during the day. While I was stopped at that red light a woman was driving while looking at her smartphone and plowed into me from behind at about 40 mph never even seeing me or the red light. I was rendered unconscious at the point of impact, however this has been verified by the driver as well as witnesses. As a result of being hit, I was thrown against the wind shield, then thrown forward a number of yards before being ran over by the same vehicle. I sustained a significant head injury with bleeding on the brain and a severe concussion, a broken scapula, broken ribs, a broken lumbar vertebrae, some damage to my right eye, a tear from my right eye to the top of my forehead that extended clean to the skull and required over 100 stitches (thus disfigurement), muscle damage throughout my body, multiple lacerations and road rash, and some nerve damage on my upper face, head, and lower back. I spent 2 days in ICU and nearly 4 days in the hospital. It may be weeks before I can return to work, and of course my beloved carbon fiber road bike has been destroyed.
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Brings up a good question though. Should texting while driving be punished as harshly as DUI?
IMO, if you hit someone and cause injury while texting, it should be a felony just like if you did it while drunk. I'd also like to see cops pull licenses and judges hand out 6 month suspensions to people who text and drive.
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I agree 100%. Sadly though, drunk driving is frequently treated too lightly by the courts.
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I believe the system has done a great job of getting drunks off the roads. Sure, some still slip through the cracks. But, the number of people with 5-year suspensions and out right revocations has increased sharply over the years. They need to start cracking down on texters, IMO.
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I think one simple rule would suffice. Driving is a full-time job. If you voluntarily do something that is proven and listed to be a distraction or impairment when you're supposed to be driving, it should be an offense.
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on my commute last week I saw a guy driving next to me texting with both hands and steering with his left foot!!! I see people texting and driving, often with no hands on the wheel, almost every day. I yell at them, not to be rude, but to force them to look up and make eye contact with me, in the interest of safety for the both of us. in fact, I witnessed this just this morning, and after I yelled at the guy in the lane next to me, he put his phone down and paid attention, at least until he turned off the road we were on.
I live in NYS, and around here, when they actually give people DUIs (which they don't seem to enforce very well) the penalties and fines are extremely harsh, so I don't know if I would go that far. as far as I'm concerned, they should confiscate your license on the spot and at the very least make you show up to court to explain yourself. it's outrageous.
I live in NYS, and around here, when they actually give people DUIs (which they don't seem to enforce very well) the penalties and fines are extremely harsh, so I don't know if I would go that far. as far as I'm concerned, they should confiscate your license on the spot and at the very least make you show up to court to explain yourself. it's outrageous.
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any distracted driving should be harsh.
reading the newspaper, eating etc.
reading the newspaper, eating etc.
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In NYS, it is illegal to use any mobile device while operating a motor vehicle. In my opinion, talking on the phone isn't so distracting (it was legal for many years here) and if your car is equipped with "hands free" bluetooth", you can use the phone and drive.
Texting is different and while many phones let you talk/type, only a few let the device "read" to you. Reading or even editing your text is really dangerous as you are very focused on the text rather than your driving.
Laws evolve as society does but it takes time. It's sad that common sense seldom prevails in situations like this because people think they will never be a statistic.
Texting is different and while many phones let you talk/type, only a few let the device "read" to you. Reading or even editing your text is really dangerous as you are very focused on the text rather than your driving.
Laws evolve as society does but it takes time. It's sad that common sense seldom prevails in situations like this because people think they will never be a statistic.
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One action hurts the violator, one hurts others. And no, I'm not just bitter about my seatbelt tickets
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In Canada they're talking about making it a criminal offense -- like DUI -- to use a phone or other electronic device while driving -- aka texting while driving. Sounds like a reasonable idea but there seem to be many borderline cases in which it would be excessive. I hope the law is constructed in such a way that it leads to reasonable results.
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In Canada they're talking about making it a criminal offense -- like DUI -- to use a phone or other electronic device while driving -- aka texting while driving. Sounds like a reasonable idea but there seem to be many borderline cases in which it would be excessive. I hope the law is constructed in such a way that it leads to reasonable results.
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I always try to get over to the curb. And, if you read the OP, it seems this was one of those red lights not even worth stopping for, as he said it was light traffic. I would have done a stop and go.
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In Canada they're talking about making it a criminal offense -- like DUI -- to use a phone or other electronic device while driving -- aka texting while driving. Sounds like a reasonable idea but there seem to be many borderline cases in which it would be excessive. I hope the law is constructed in such a way that it leads to reasonable results.
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Drivers, it really is this simple: be aware of what is in front of (or behind) you, maintain a safe stopping distance to objects in front of you, and don't hit that which is in your direction of travel.
This also means that if a road has a 50 MPH speed limit and you are rounding a blind curve or cresting a blind hill... you MUST slow down. (that simple action is very very often missed by motorists... and they are violating the basic speed law by just "driving the speed limit").
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First would be to exempt certain apps that have a proper car mode (generally the dialer, nav and some music players) as long as the driver doesn't commit any other violation while using them. (Some people shouldn't be allowed to use the forward/back buttons on the stereo while driving. Others have used manual tuners and changed 8-tracks, cassettes, CDs and SD cards for decades without issues.) For the ones who cause injury while texting or doing any other clearly inappropriate task, I'd recommend crucifixion, organ harvesting and the sale of all assets (including usable organs, and possibly children) with proceeds going to the victim.
I think one of the things I find most annoying about many of the most recent vehicles made is that you cannot tune or change tracks or anything of that nature without looking a touch screen... you must take your eyes off the road to do any of several functions... that in the past was locked to a dedicated button you could feel for and use muscle memory to activate.
Clearly this is a design flaw.
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First would be to exempt certain apps that have a proper car mode (generally the dialer, nav and some music players) as long as the driver doesn't commit any other violation while using them. (Some people shouldn't be allowed to use the forward/back buttons on the stereo while driving. Others have used manual tuners and changed 8-tracks, cassettes, CDs and SD cards for decades without issues.) For the ones who cause injury while texting or doing any other clearly inappropriate task, I'd recommend crucifixion, organ harvesting and the sale of all assets (including usable organs, and possibly children) with proceeds going to the victim.
I suppose the devil will be in the details. The threat of a criminal conviction should be a big deterrent without requiring drawing & quartering or even jail time.
Nonetheless, I'd hate to see some poor sap saddled with a criminal conviction because they changed a station while waiting at a light without their car being in park. We all know (well, most of us, anyway) what the problem is and the difficulty will be in defining it without creating a bunch of false positives.
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Well indeed we do in fact compensate for the poor actions of others... but in the long run, I'd much rather they correct their wrong actions... rather than make it de facto that cyclists have to dodge cars.
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I think one of the things I find most annoying about many of the most recent vehicles made is that you cannot tune or change tracks or anything of that nature without looking a touch screen... you must take your eyes off the road to do any of several functions... that in the past was locked to a dedicated button you could feel for and use muscle memory to activate.
Clearly this is a design flaw.
Clearly this is a design flaw.
Nonetheless, I'd hate to see some poor sap saddled with a criminal conviction because they changed a station while waiting at a light without their car being in park. We all know (well, most of us, anyway) what the problem is and the difficulty will be in defining it without creating a bunch of false positives.
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Same issue as poor wording in the DUI laws getting people convicted when they were parked in the bar lot sleeping it off with the keys in their pocket. The problem I've seen there from my experience with local government is elected officials saying "we can trust the police to be reasonable and not abuse the law" when problems with the wording were pointed out. Then, no matter how many times it gets abused, each is "just an isolated incident."
That's the exact example I had in mind. Crazy! I thought it only happened here.
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I think one of the things I find most annoying about many of the most recent vehicles made is that you cannot tune or change tracks or anything of that nature without looking a touch screen... you must take your eyes off the road to do any of several functions... that in the past was locked to a dedicated button you could feel for and use muscle memory to activate.
Clearly this is a design flaw.
Clearly this is a design flaw.
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There is a story that made the rounds here about the texting driver (twenty something) that killed a 35 y.o. mother of two young children. She was sentenced to six months but only served 90 days and she was banned from using a cell phone for two years. The cellphone ban was suggested by the victims husband. She was also ordered to pay $15K to the victims husband but I wonder if he will see a penny. Who enforces these judgements?
If that is the extent of what happens to a driver known to be texting and kills someone presently how much and how fast do you think the Justice System can adapt to actually create sentencing that is an actual deterrent to doing it? I mean... stiff actions against drunk driving has done nothing to actually eliminate it!
Cell phone makers IMO are behind the obvious foot dragging on real reform in the sentencing of distracted driver offenses. Millions of texts are generated by distracted drivers and that revenue stream is quite irresistible. But I see no half-way here. You can talk hands-free but there is no way to text that way.... actually there is... Siri will take dictation and text it on your behalf but I don't know if Android phones will do that. But I really think that all concerned take the view that the convicted driver does no one any good rotting in prison.
If that is the extent of what happens to a driver known to be texting and kills someone presently how much and how fast do you think the Justice System can adapt to actually create sentencing that is an actual deterrent to doing it? I mean... stiff actions against drunk driving has done nothing to actually eliminate it!
Cell phone makers IMO are behind the obvious foot dragging on real reform in the sentencing of distracted driver offenses. Millions of texts are generated by distracted drivers and that revenue stream is quite irresistible. But I see no half-way here. You can talk hands-free but there is no way to text that way.... actually there is... Siri will take dictation and text it on your behalf but I don't know if Android phones will do that. But I really think that all concerned take the view that the convicted driver does no one any good rotting in prison.